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Well all I can say is, that who ever turned it all the way down has their head in their a$$. 6 pounds on 1 motor and 8 pounds on the other. In the pictures 1 motor running 6,000 rpm's and the other 7,000 rpm's. Good way to treat a $1,200,000.00 boat.

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My .02 Is That Everyone Is Missing The Point About The Press Release. I Think We Can All Figure Out The Validity To The Nature Of The Article. Vp Of Marketing Deserves A Bonus. In The Grand Scheme Of Things As A Boater With A Passion For Fun, Poker Runs, Being On A Boat Period, Forget About The War Of Manufacturers And Make Sure We Are Doing The Right Thing For The Sport. We Are About To Lose Some Of The Priviliges In Poker Runs Due To The Disrespect On The Water. This Is Not Pointing Fingers, But This Thread Talked About Them And Everyone Who Has Been On Poker Runs Has Experienced Some Of These Acts(most Often Times By Inexperienced Drivers). Sorry To Preach But My Family Boats As A Family And That Includes Poker Runs For The"boat Show And Thrill Of It". I Do Not Care Which Manufacturer Wins As Long As We All Make It Back To The Dock Safely And Without Enemies. I Just Trust Those With The 1000 + Hp's That They Have The Drivers/throttles Thinking The Same Way. Looking Forward To The Next Poker Run And Hope To See All These Claims Meeting In The Correct Forum At Loto For The Shootout To See The End Result First Hand.

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fastest? or fastest professional boat and crew vs "amateur sportmen"?
Not taking anything away from the fountain...

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Thats Cuda passing Bud Select :cool:

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WELL SAID. Marketing is marketing for sales....period. We all dispute each other fighting about cats vs. V's and Cigarette vs. OL vs. Fountain, etc.....

One thing is for sure, love or hate Reggie Fountain, he does do alot for our sport. I think some of the arguments we have here are pointless. It really doesn't matter if you have a 25' boat or a 47' hot rod, we all enjoy the sport alike. One thing I love about this site is the comroderie and the help if from other OSO'ers. :D

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I Agree, And If It Were Not For Other Boat Manufacturers Raising The Bar In Terms Of Quality And Product, The Sport Would Not Continue To Excel. It Takes Professionals Like Reggie And Robertson, Etc. To Give Us The Research And Dev. But Also Pros That Are Greatly Respected Like John Tomlinson To Say That It Was Time To Back Off During A Kilo Run Because Safety Came First. I Hope All Weekend Warriors, Including Myself, Take Note Of This And Know When The Conditions, The Boat, Your Surroundings, Or Even Just Your Experience Behind The Wheel Are Not Up For The Task To Make A Poor Decision. I Have Not Missed The Loto Shootout For Years Because It Is Truly A Spectacle To See All The Manufacturers In A Wonderfully-ran Event Competing For Honors When Only The Gun Will Tell The Truth.

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I love this thread! I have no love for Reggie or Fountain (a different story for another time) I dont believe what they did at a poker run was right with the way they were running the boat . I will not get involved in the "he said this and he said that" part of the disscussion but what I laugh at is the number of you that are *****ing about your insurance rates going up because of an article. I would think that if you bought a $100,000+ boat you can reach in your pocket and pull out $900- $1500 or what ever the rate a year is for your boat each year. Its like my Grandfather always said if you can afford the toy you can afford everything that goes with it. I proudly pay my premium each year even if it goes up because it is a cheap price to pay for piece of mind.

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Its more like going from 10,000 to 12,000 to 16,000. Mine wont increse a dime though but thats another story. I respect reggies acomplishments, but this press release, whether its a lie or not, is still rediculous. Impressive speeds, but untill he faces off agianst dave scott or similar power race cat, he shoudl have kept his mouth shut. It was also wrong of him at key west to say that cats are too dangerous for pleasure boats.

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sorry meant to say 9000-15000

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Your'e right! I heard Jt say: "Yeah Cuda you passed me and now my Cat insurance will be cancelled!!! How do you feel now!!"
:drink: :drink:

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I don't know who was first, but both boats had 1550hp Sterlings.........

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I think what he means is same power same wieght . Yes both had similar power plants but the fountain only wieghed 4500lbs vs 12000 for the cat

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Well one thing's for sure. They certainly succeeded in generating a lot of press!!! Congratulations.
I've been on more Poker Runs than I can remember. There always have been and always will be some guys trying to prove something and do whatever it takes to be the first to the stop. They'll brag about it the night before and thereafter if they succeed. Like it or not that's what brings some to the run. Usually though after a week or so few will remember or really care for that matter.
Now we have this press release. Was that boat extremely fast? Absolutely!
The problem is that IT WASN'T A RACE!!!! If it was I certainly wasn't informed. How about anybody else? Were the boats that wanted to race allowed to line up together and given a fair start? Were they told that if they were the first to the stop they would get a front page press release?
Were there safety measures in place? NO! Why not? BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A RACE! Why do you think they stopped promoting it in NYC?
Great boat but this type of promotion seems inappropriate.

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They both had motors that have made 1550hp , probably more. But that is with 17-18# of boost. and 116oct. race fuel..Speed racer has been set up for pump fuel, 8#'s of boost and 93 oct. That's closer to 1150-1200 hp.Meaning he was giving up at least 700hp total. And he still passed Rio.

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The problem is comparing a race boat to pleasure boats. That being said, there are a few pleasure cats on Havasu that run near 180 so maybe the right cats did not show up to spank Reggie. Or maybe Reggie should come out to the spring run in Havasu and see what happens. :rolleyes:

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Thak you Terry, that was my whole point. I'm not worried about insurance going up at all. What bothers me is when insurance companies ban participation in poker runs all together...If you dont think they have the power look at what happened to muscle cars.

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Hey Reggie............

Race this!

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The muscle car era was doomed mainly because of gas shortages/prices and EPA emissions, not insurance.

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I strongly doubt that insurance companies are going to ban Poker Run participation because of speed.(or press releases) If that was the case, they would have done it already because its always been a big deal to make the point about how fast so and so ran in what Poker Run. What would have more of a chance of the banning happening are accidents like at SOTW, and NYC in the last few years.

I guess you missed the Vette/GTO/Mustang, and the Dodge Hemis. Muscle cars have been back for a while, and they are quicker/faster than anything that Detroit made in the 60's/70's :D

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With waves that rough its a wonder anyone survived. :D

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yea....yea....yea...and Reggie was running 87oct. Sterling's have a static compression of around 9 to 1 or higher....17 to 18 pounds of boost would blow the heads off the motor even with 116 oct. Listen to you guys, bregging about out running a V-hull. Damn things have change.

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Oh Reggie, it IS a race????
And here all along I just liked high performance boats!
It was promoted as a race!!! right?????
I think he is suffering from bling(gold) poisoning!!!

GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Times change brother, you just NEED to change with them. Call Mike at Sterling and ask him how much boost his 1550 makes, and also ask where Speed's motors are set up right now. :eek:
First could we make a little wager on the answer, It doesn't even have to small. :evilb: :evilb:

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no but they can ban any type of claim or infraction and make people stay away with threats of higher premiums or cancellation... dont you think that more accidents happen like major scratches and boats banging at the dock then the type of accident that happened at smoke? sure the major crashes garner the attention, but its the ones we dont hear about that jack up costs... it's that silent majority that will creep up and get us. look at how many guys said they lost drives and in order to save money how many will file a false report? My mechanic has at least 3 a week trying to get him to help him scam the company, He is honest and wont....and I havent missed any of the muscle cars as I just sold 2 and work on them daily. Not to mention the new muscle cars, from championship porsches to celebrities ferraris..:D

4 out of 5 dentists surveyed would recommend it:evilb:

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I think you are right it is the small things that happen all the time that drive up our rates. Just look at how much drives, paint jobs, props all cost to replace. A small claim to one of our boats is gonna be $5000. To the insurance co its dollars and cents. You back a #6 drive boat into a dock hard and there goes 20,000 Hit the same dock with a Sea Ray Whats the going rate for an alpha drives these days do the math. :rolleyes: :snide:

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Geez, now you are making me agree with you :D Yes, its the smaller claims that raise the rates. There may be a large total loss that we hear about, but we don't hear about the 1000 broken drive claims plus all the other stuff. Probably why my rates went down a LOT when I went from 1% to 2% deductable.

To try and make this thread a bit more positive, :drink: Why is it that Cat insurance is so high, or hard to get? Seems that the vast majority of boats are "V", and the big accidents we hear about are in "V"'s. But unless the big V owners are very quiet, its the Cat guys that seem to have the most problems with insurance.

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NOT PICKING ON JUST YOU, BUT WHY DO THE V-BOTTOM GUYS KEEP ARGUING THAT THE CATS ARE BRAGGING ABOUT THE CAT BEING FASTER WHEN THE V-BOTTOM STARTED THE WHOLE ISSUE WITH AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER WITH OBVIOUSLY LESS THAN FACTUAL INFO. EVERYONE NEEDS TO PICK THEIR BATTLES AND UNLESS IT IS DONE AS SOMEONE SAID ABOVE AND LINED UP WITH APPLES TO APPLES CAT TO V-BOTTOM (MEANING EQUAL POWER)==WHO CARES TO ARGUE. I AM A V-BOTTOM OWNER BECAUSE I LOVE MY BOAT AND IN THE BACK OF MY MIND I WILL ALWAYS RUN INTO SOMEONE FASTER NO MATTER WHAT I BUILD. IT IS THE LAW OF FINANCIALS, I MEAN PHYSICS. LOL

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Cats are generaly sit down boats harder to manuver around the docks I would think they probably have more percentage wise small claims just because there aren't that many on the water and they do tend to be really nice expencive boats.

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actually i have been told cats are easier to manuver as the engines are so far apart it makes them respond faster. Maybe Tres or Terry will chime in and answer as I'm not really qualified to answer it. however I do know the cat accident on the chesapeake a couple years ago supposedly bankrupted the insurance company. I would have to assume that because cats are much faster (contrary to this thread) there is more of an assumed risk. I know the auto industry has different ratings for insurance that go hand in hand, driving record, age type of car...not so much in what it's worth, but how much will it cost to fix it. to total a car I belive it has to be more than a certain percentage of the worth of the car. So once it reachs that percent it becomes cheaper for the insurance company to just pay/buy it off, and the sad part is, boats depreciate faster than cars.

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My NT is easier to manuver around the dock then my Pantera was, or my dads scarab or century. Its jsut differnt props spinning in, but once your used to it its much easier.

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I don't know about that with auto ins. I had two ins. co's to choose from 3 years ago when I got my BMW my agent told me they were the only ones other than Loyds of London that insured cars valued at more than 50,000 in NJ

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I Keep Seeing That The Fountain Weighed 4500-4700 Lbs--will Someone Educate Me As To How They Got This Information-- I Think This Is Off A Wee Bit.

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I was thinking more from a visibility stand piont and also all the expensive parts seem to hang further out back with no protection, like swim platforms. I would rather dock my stand up boat before any sit down even a v

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The cat's are much easier to drive, around the docks or out running hard. And these incidentals you all are worried about don't apply to most of the larger cats. Most of the guys I know have a 5% deductible, on a $400K boat(being conservative) that $20K. It takes a pretty big issue to run over that, and if it is only slightly higher, most guys are going to pay the extra as well. If not your insurance will go up more than the difference, If you can still get insurance. Which is the real concern for many. :(

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Its way way off. Engines and drives/trans are almost 3000lbs by themselves.

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Thats why I raised my deductable. It saved me $300 off $1200 a year.

Thats my question is why cats can't get insurance. I remember the turbine cat in Maryland and I'm sure there were lots of lawsuits, but that is the only major Cat accident I remember seeing.

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I'm not an insurance guy so I'm only guessing like everyone else. I think part of it is that just about any cat will run over 100mph. So if you start to compare V's that run in the speed range you will probably see that the rates are not that much higher on a cat over a comparable speed V. These rates are going to be high because if you a boat capable of these speeds it is probably a pretty expensive boat(ie: liability). Also there is more of chance of problems running these speeds and when that happens it is usually a worst accident. Again higher liability and more payout for the insurance. It all boils down to potential risk and dollars in VS. dollars in. Just my .02.

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That all sounds pretty logical. A friends 24' Skater will run just over 100 with twin 225's. Not too many "V" bottoms with 450 HP and 24' that will run over 60.

Plus, you are probably right. The insurance guys have fear that if a Cat wreaks, its going to be very expensive.

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I Talked With My Insurance Guy Last Week And He Stated It Is All The Rule Of Probability And $. Meaning, The Excessive Speeds Over 100 Mph Have A Larger Probability Of More Excessive Danger Ending Up In More $ Of Damage Or Liability. The Old Rule Was Horsepower To Weight Ratio For The Majority Of The Risk Factor. Now Boats Are Lighter And Faster With More Risk Even Yet. An Insurance Company's Claims Due Factor In On Their Rates For Premiums As Does All Other Insurance Lines.

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Reggie going fast or anyone going fast in a Poker Run does not raise the rates of insurance. Heck with the way you all on here are thinking (offshore drillin') you should be pizzed at every boat test magazine and even this very own website for publishing the speeds of boats.
Come on people I know some of you are not that stupid. :eek: :D