Originally Posted by BigDadys93x

I think what he means is same power same wieght . Yes both had similar power plants but the fountain only wieghed 4500lbs vs 12000 for the cat

Originally Posted by FeverMike

Reggie going fast or anyone going fast in a Poker Run does not raise the rates of insurance. Heck with the way you all on here are thinking (offshore drillin') you should be pizzed at every boat test magazine and even this very own website for publishing the speeds of boats.
Come on people I know some of you are not that stupid. :eek: :D

Originally Posted by hammer01

I Talked With My Insurance Guy Last Week And He Stated It Is All The Rule Of Probability And $. Meaning, The Excessive Speeds Over 100 Mph Have A Larger Probability Of More Excessive Danger Ending Up In More $ Of Damage Or Liability. The Old Rule Was Horsepower To Weight Ratio For The Majority Of The Risk Factor. Now Boats Are Lighter And Faster With More Risk Even Yet. An Insurance Company's Claims Due Factor In On Their Rates For Premiums As Does All Other Insurance Lines.

Originally Posted by LostinBoston

but if liability is capped at a certain amount, what difference dies it make how fast it goes. everyone says million dollar liability, i had a 300k cap on liability and ins was still unreasonable.

Originally Posted by 42MTI

If you don't think the speed of the boat has a huge impact on your insurance rate you are smoking crack. It's the main reason we only have 2 companies to chose from for cat insurance. You only need to ask an agent about a cat running over 120 mph. Doesn't matter what kind or value, just give them the speed.

Originally Posted by Hauling Trash

David Knight ( We totally dominated the entire fleet )

Was David at a Race ???????

What is he think ????????

Not very good for Fountain to put this out.

Mike

Originally Posted by stecz20

cat owners are punks... they all need a good slap.... :evilb: :evilb: :evilb:

Originally Posted by stecz20

cat owners are punks... they all need a good slap.... :evilb: :evilb: :evilb:

Originally Posted by FeverMike

Reggie going fast or anyone going fast in a Poker Run does not raise the rates of insurance. Heck with the way you all on here are thinking (offshore drillin') you should be pizzed at every boat test magazine and even this very own website for publishing the speeds of boats.
Come on people I know some of you are not that stupid. :eek: :D

Originally Posted by 42MTI

If you don't think the speed of the boat has a huge impact on your insurance rate you are smoking crack. It's the main reason we only have 2 companies to chose from for cat insurance. You only need to ask an agent about a cat running over 120 mph. Doesn't matter what kind or value, just give them the speed.

Originally Posted by offshoredrillin

Thak you Terry, that was my whole point. I'm not worried about insurance going up at all. What bothers me is when insurance companies ban participation in poker runs all together...If you dont think they have the power look at what happened to muscle cars.

Originally Posted by 3600cat

You can always tell a cat owner. They are informed. :D
Cats are the only way to go. I HATE V BOTTOMS. :evilb: :D

Originally Posted by two-air

Your'e right! I heard Jt say: "Yeah Cuda you passed me and now my Cat insurance will be cancelled!!! How do you feel now!!"
:drink: :drink:

Originally Posted by Havasu Cig

The problem is comparing a race boat to pleasure boats. That being said, there are a few pleasure cats on Havasu that run near 180 so maybe the right cats did not show up to spank Reggie. Or maybe Reggie should come out to the spring run in Havasu and see what happens. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by BigDadys93x

Now heres the question of the day for everyone to ponder. How many boats that run poker runs even have insurance? I bet its less than you think.!

Originally Posted by FeverMike

42MTI, you misunderstood me. I did not say a speed of a boat does not have an affect on the ocst of your insurance. It sure does!What I said was an insurance company is not raising the rates because they hear someone went fast at a poker run. geesh! Boats have been going fast at poker runs, lake speed shoot outs for years and years and nobody on here got all pizzy at those post's.....unitl Fountain put a little blurb on the Fountain website about being a Cat Killer then all you guys got your panty's all up in a wad. :eek: :D

Originally Posted by cuda

I agree, there are a whole lot more people reading Oso than the Fountain website, hell, I've never even visited it. I don't hear everyone crying about insurance rates when a member on here post some great speeds, all you hear then are congratulations.

Originally Posted by modfox21

But a 4700 lb v bottom racing a 12000 lb "dry" cat with the same power.. Doesnt really add up to me..

Originally Posted by offshoredrillin

I'll put a street Monte Carlo up against Dale Jrs any day..:rolleyes:...I never bashed beaks or reggie, but this idotic statement is too much even for him... Oh, and poker runs arent a race Mr Fountain...It's these types of statements that will be the downfall of the sport. Wonder what he will say when no one can afford insurance and his boats don't sell...

Originally Posted by FeverMike

offshore...well right here you are saying insurance rates will go up because of what Fountain did.
:eek:

'nuff said!

Originally Posted by BigDadys93x

Now heres the question of the day for everyone to ponder. How many boats that run poker runs even have insurance? I bet its less than you think. I know alot of marina owners and when a poker run comes anywhere near where they are located a lot of them just yank a brand new boat off the lot and enter it in the poker run so they can advertise thier marina , no registration ,no insurance and they get away with it! I know that marinas have riders on their policies that cover them when they sea trail a boat but i bet if they got in an accident during a poker run they wouldnt have a leg to stand on! Do you think Reggie had the Rio Roses boat properly registerd with his state to run a poker run I know it wasnt because its a race boat and not meant for recreational use. I would consider a poker run recreational use and if the local athorities wanted to push it they proably would have had some pretty heafty fines to pay. So on that note I would be willing to bet that any insurance that they may have had on the boat wasnt for the use that it was being used in. Now what if a boat with a family of 4 accidently came across their path and hit them, Now lets say everyone survived but was criticly injured and hospital bills were stacking up and Reggies insurance company wouldnt pay out because they didnt have the proper insurance policy the family would be screwed and would be in court for years trying to get money from Fountain powerboats inc. now ponder that a moment the next time you go on a poker run and your running wide open next to another boat that has "joe blows marina" plastered on the side of it and ask yourself "does this guy have any insurance in case he hits my boat and wrecks me"!

Originally Posted by pokerrunner2000

Just 1 question - To keep poker runs going, do you think that race boats should be banned from poker runs?

Originally Posted by cuda

There were cats at Marathon, I didn't see any pass him there either.

Originally Posted by pokerrunner2000

Just 1 question - To keep poker runs going, do you think that race boats should be banned from poker runs?

Originally Posted by cuda

Yeah, that's the ticket. Let's make rules for different classes at a poker run, especially since it's working out so well for the racers. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by tomtbone1993

nice drunk post :evilb: :evilb: :evilb: :evilb:

Originally Posted by cuda

You should know I only drink on Wednesdays. :drink:

Originally Posted by biggame

looks like another manufacturer feels the same way

Stu Jones
Florida Powerboat Club
421 South Federal Highway
Pompano Beach, FL 33062

Dear Stu:

While attending the highly successful Jacksonville FireFighters Poker Run last weekend, I, like most other manufacturers, was pleased with the turn out and promotion of the event. However, after all the work and discussions this industry has put into the clarification that Poker Runs are recreational events and NOT races, I was aghast to see Reggie Fountain arrive with a race boat, two professional racers and a camera crew to document the scenario.

Are we just providing lip service, or are we serious about maintaining Poker Runs as events that are open to all powerboaters to enjoy the spirit of boating? If we want to maintain our insurance and credibility, we must stick to this premise.

It was in extremely poor taste and really damaging to the industry to have Reggie put his competitive nature before the good of the sport of pleasure boating. I also believe it was negligent to allow it to happen. How can we expect our customers to act responsibly if the manufacturers act irresponsibly? We should be the leaders of the industry and support the events that were designed for our customers to earn bragging rights—not for the manufacturers to use a Poker Run as a speed demonstration. This action was in direct opposition to the stance that industry leaders took at the Safety Summit meetings at the Miami Boat Show, where all manufacturers supported the safety and status of Poker Runs as non-speed-oriented events.

Offshore powerboat racing is the venue where awards for speed are presented; the industry has also created events like the Lake of the Ozarks Shootout and sanctioned Kilo Runs to create and honor speed records. Go there to compete!

This situation was exacerbated when Fountain circulated a press release under the heading of Fountain Mercury, literally calling the event “competition” stating that the company “entered” its “new offshore Super Boat Rio Roses Fountain Mercury.” Yet it was powered by twin Sterling engines!

And it is a RACE boat, not a Poker Run boat, run by Fountain’s own championship racers! Proudly calling the boat “The Cat Killer” only adds insult to injury in an arena where manufacturers attend as colleagues.


The verbiage in the release reads exactly like a race report, stating that the “Super Vee Unlimited-class offshore racer” can “outrun, out-handle and outlast the Super Cats, especially in rough water.” Then why choose a flat water river run to make this performance?

I strongly suggest that the rules of Poker Runs exclude race boats and that rule be enforced at all events. Why spoil the fun for recreational boaters who are out to show the performance of their equipment and win a poker hand, while one manufacturer makes his “story of the day” about dominating the fleet?

We all build fast, exciting boats. Should Cigarette bring its Kilo Run boat with John Tomlinson at the helm to a Poker Run? I do not think that is appropriate. Poker Runs are NOT the forum for racing boats; they are a social event where manufacturers and our customers can show the latest recreational models.

I am copying the other leading powerboat manufacturers and press on this letter as we are all trying to work together to promote this industry and sport. We hope that you, the Poker Run promoters who have build these events, will take a stand to continue the safety and spirit of what has driven the powerboat industry for the past decade. Ego destroyed powerboat racing, let’s not let it destroy Poker Runs.

Sincerely,


Skip Braver
Cigarette Racing Team

Originally Posted by Hauling Trash

EGO is the big word here. David Knight was not thinking about safety ,At that speed ,not on a cloesd course.

Mike

Originally Posted by cuda

Yeah, and my dad can beat up your dad. :rolleyes: