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NoQuarter 06-27-2007 02:34 PM

That Concept is freaking awesome! Love the lines and the paint.

cuda 06-27-2007 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by RHC (Post 2178628)
Hey Cuda ,, don't want to start bragging just yet ,, but ,, the 2008 Concept Sport Deck is running 75-77 with 275 Verado's, has a full Cabin and Just might get and average of 2+miles to Gal //// might just work real well !! :D ,,, of course that's all just hearsay!!! I might know for sure next week

RHC

It would still be a tad shy. There are some great looking and performing CC's, but to me they just aren't the same, and that's coming from a guy who's first new boat was a CC, that I still own, and it would be the last boat I'd sell. Granted, it's not a performance CC, but I have run with several. Maybe it's just me, but CC's feel more like an appliance to me. They just don't get my juices flowing like a closed bow performance boat, with twin BBC's.

FeverMike 06-27-2007 11:38 PM


Originally Posted by Shanghied Again (Post 2178796)
I sell both Donzi and Concept both boats are exceptional running boats, Most folks have different tastes when it comes to CC. The Donzi 35ZFC is a great fishing boat, wide beam gives it stability in rollers, she will run with 250 Verados 62 mph and 67 with 275s, The 36 Concept aims its boats at the Customer who wants the bling of a Performance boat with custom paints workmanship and a solid ride with 250 Verados she will run 62-64 with 275s 66-68 mph and with 300s over 70 mph. It all comes down to what you like and your needs, you will never go wrong with either boat.

You positive about those speeds? I've run and owned and seen boat tests and those and they seem optimistic...not putting down these super nice boats but I just know what they run in the real world....interesting though.:D

FeverMike 06-27-2007 11:40 PM


Originally Posted by THEJOKER (Post 2177067)
Don't let Reggie hear you say that!:D


Fountain Mercury sets center console world speed record

HA! that is what I was thinking and I love to go out hunting and run down so called high performance boat's with I/O's!:eek: :drink:

FeverMike 06-27-2007 11:41 PM


Originally Posted by OSO (Post 2177166)
If that is the hull I think it is and you are gonna make a CC out of it put me on the list for one. I told him to make the CC version of it but he never listened to anyone.

See Brian, just what we talked about a year ago! Go for it...go get 'em!:D

FeverMike 06-27-2007 11:51 PM


Originally Posted by Bryan Rose (Post 2178452)
Thanks for the help everyone ! I will keep my eyes open over the summer and look patiently......Still like the looks of the ZF series by Donzi. Really like the Concept but does not seem to have enough of a cuddy cabin in the front and is a bit narrower than the Donzi, might get intersting rolling around all dayin big rollers... I also like the Regulators but do not know much about them. Again thanks for the help.

Bryan


Regulator builds a stout well made boat but no creature comforts...totally hardcore fishing. The Concept 36 and Donzi 35zf roll around at anchor or drift the same. If you want a more stable boat at rest and anchor and a deep V you will need 10+ beam. My Fountain 38 CC is a 10'6" beam and pretty darn stable.
to me the Concept slices through the rough stuff better than the Donzi 35ZF. I looked hard at both brands for about a year back in 2002-03 when I bought a 36 Concept...I sold it in August 2005 for my Fountain CC.

If you want some sport style, stout build, creature comforts and great fishing features look at the 31 Jupiter too. Also the 35 Marlago is very nice and looks great too.

If I could only make 1 recomendation to you on buying a center console...make dang sure the one you get is SELF BAILING!!!!

Kims 06-28-2007 01:25 AM


Originally Posted by cuda (Post 2176961)
"Performance" and "Center Console" are a contradiction in terms.

Are you willing to bet on that?

cuda 06-28-2007 01:31 AM


Originally Posted by Kims (Post 2179893)
Are you willing to bet on that?

Whatcha bringing to the party? I said there may be a handful that can outrun my resin bucket, but they are few and far between.

cuda 06-28-2007 02:05 AM


Originally Posted by Kims (Post 2179893)
Are you willing to bet on that?

I just checked you profile, and I didn't see any boat listed.:rolleyes:

Kims 06-28-2007 06:51 AM

34 Scarab SS with triple OMC 4.0 V8's

BUIZILLA 06-28-2007 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by Kims (Post 2179964)
34 Scarab SS with triple OMC 4.0 V8's

do they ALL run ?

Kims 06-28-2007 12:33 PM

Doesn't matter, I still beat the truck engines..:D

Ofcourse they do, carburated two stroke premixers, what could possibly go wrong?

Kims 06-28-2007 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by marylandmark (Post 2180303)
We gonna get to see a race ?

Bring it to Vegas! A good friend of mine has a Scarab 30 CC with two 4.0 V8, "slightly" modified. We can pass on each our side...:evilb: :D

fabricator 06-28-2007 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by cuda (Post 2179744)
They just don't get my juices flowing like a closed bow performance boat, with twin BBC's.

If we got you a killer sound system so you could play big block sounds while you're running, would that help?:D :D

RHC 06-29-2007 03:08 PM

I have thought of that ,,, maybe later ,,,, Cuda ,, go to the Concept forem and check out the Pic's that they posted of the interior just before shipping the boat !!!!

RHC

Bryan Rose 06-29-2007 04:19 PM

Any truth to the rumor of the Pre Step and pre 06 Concept models porpoising a ton.....

Donzi38ZR 06-29-2007 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by FeverMike (Post 2179859)
You positive about those speeds? I've run and owned and seen boat tests and those and they seem optimistic...not putting down these super nice boats but I just know what they run in the real world....interesting though.


Originally Posted by FeverMike (Post 2179859)
to me the Concept slices through the rough stuff better than the Donzi 35ZF. I looked hard at both brands for about a year back in 2002-03 when I bought a 36 Concept...

First of all I dont think he'd be yapping those numbers out as a dealer of both those brands if they did not run what he says they run.. after all he's still going to be there when the customers come back from the run.

Secondly... Are you kidding? your comments are laughable at best....

1. a 36C running better in the rough than a 35 ZF...humm:rolleyes:
Your saying a 5200lbs hull rides better in the rough Vs 8000 lb. Come on dude... that's a Potato chip to the ZF :rolleyes: the fact they run about the same speed with the Donzi 3000lbs heavier should tell you something about the technology in the running surfaces.

2. You say, "Concept 36 and Donzi 35 ZF roll around at anchor or drift the same"
Who the heck gets a boat like these and worries about "roll around at anchor" or drift.... give me a break :rolleyes:

3. Does your looking at a Donzi & Concept back in 2002.. 5 years ago really hold opinion weight to what they are today? :rolleyes: not IMO....

Just to put it in perspective how long ago that was....I believe in 2002 Donzi came out with the 38 ZR Competition at which time your beloved Fountains did not see a championship until they bought the league years later and Donzi went racing overseas. LONG...LONG...time ago....:rolleyes:

Donzi38ZR 06-29-2007 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by Bryan Rose (Post 2182383)
Any truth to the rumor of the Pre Step and pre 06 Concept models porpoising a ton.....

Bryan at the end of the day Opinions are like... well you know....

Dude if I was getting a new boat.... I would squeeze the fun out of it to the fullest extend.... Go test drive the hell out of these beast.... after that your answers will be as clear as daylight.

DeepV 06-29-2007 07:04 PM

As far as go fast center consoles, any opions on the Ocean Hawk 33 with 300xs Mercs?

cuda 06-29-2007 08:08 PM


Originally Posted by Kims (Post 2179964)
34 Scarab SS with triple OMC 4.0 V8's

Bring it.

Johno 06-29-2007 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by Bryan Rose (Post 2182383)
Any truth to the rumor of the Pre Step and pre 06 Concept models porpoising a ton.....

IMHO CC are generally more prone to the porposing issue. I run a 29 Renegade with Twin 250's & a 275Gal tank. When I had the boat built I had em install the K plane type on the boat, not the small Bennett type tabs. They make a huge difference in getting the boat to run level. I love the boat & have run in all kinds of weather & it would suck not having "real" tabs.

As for Cuda, I love my "appliance":evilb: Bring that Formula of yours ..........We miss boating with you & Deb. :drink:

frankenstein 06-30-2007 12:05 AM

30 ft Scarab Sport, twin Merc 250 EFI's 64 mph, 57 all day long. I crash through anything, consider it.

Kims 06-30-2007 01:41 AM


Originally Posted by cuda (Post 2182585)
Bring it.

Ain't no water in DeLand, been there before!

ck54 06-30-2007 06:48 AM

The Performance CC I'm looking for has been produced yet.
Basically, I want a 38 Top Gun turned in a CC, bolster seats, Latham or MM controls, guages, paint, cutty, etc..
Cigarette didn't get it right yet and everything is either to fishy or over the top cushie.
I'd hoped Outerlimits would give it a try but I guess it ain't coming.

fabricator 06-30-2007 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Kims (Post 2182777)
Ain't no water in DeLand, been there before!

Ummmmm............ it's 20 miles from the Atlantic, remember?:D :D
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp...y=US&geodiff=1

cuda 06-30-2007 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by fabricator (Post 2182847)
Ummmmm............ it's 20 miles from the Atlantic, remember?:D :D
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp...y=US&geodiff=1

Or ten miles to Lake Monroe, which seems to have enough water for the Callan boat to do speed runs.

TeamSaris 06-30-2007 09:04 AM

Spectre
www.spectresportfish.com

DRIVEN1 06-30-2007 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by fast fun 2 (Post 2182938)

I just test drove one of the 34s last week with Jay. I liked the ten foot beam on the boat, it made the boat feel like a big 34. I will be ordering one with triple 300 verados soon. We are working out the details of some of the custom stuff that I want to do to it.

TeamSaris 06-30-2007 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by DRIVEN1 (Post 2182981)
I just test drove one of the 34s last week with Jay. I liked the ten foot beam on the boat, it made the boat feel like a big 34. I will be ordering one with triple 300 verados soon. We are working out the details of some of the custom stuff that I want to do to it.

Awesome!:cool:

Kims 06-30-2007 01:23 PM

[QUOTE=fabricator;2182847]Ummmmm............ it's 20 miles from the Atlantic, remember?:D :D QUOTE]

I know, I used to live in Ormond beach, and can't wait to get back to Fla somewhere..anywhere Fla would be good. When I do get back there just look for the all white scarab with all white triple engines...:D

DRIVEN1 06-30-2007 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fabricator (Post 2182847)
Ummmmm............ it's 20 miles from the Atlantic, remember?:D :D QUOTE]

I know, I used to live in Ormond beach, and can't wait to get back to Fla somewhere..anywhere Fla would be good. When I do get back there just look for the all white scarab with all white triple engines...:D

What kind of speeds does it run? Where in Florida are you heading? I boat in the St. Pete/Clearwater/Sarasota area or in Tampa Bay.

Kims 06-30-2007 02:08 PM

[QUOTE=DRIVEN1;2183153]

Originally Posted by Kims (Post 2183143)

What kind of speeds does it run? Where in Florida are you heading? I boat in the St. Pete/Clearwater/Sarasota area or in Tampa Bay.

The goal speedwise is 70MPH this year and 80MPH next year. I bought the boat three years ago in Maryland as a wreck and have restored it myself and also added the third engine. The way it sits right now, I have my outer motors way too deep and is trying to get my hands on a couple 20" midsections. Since completion I have only taken it out a few times and 70 is very close to a reality. If I get enough $$$ buildt up for the next season I will have Monthy build my engines and hence approach speeds of Fountains "world record"..:D But with the gas consumption of those monsters it is hard to build up any extra $$$ for such a project.
With respect to where in Fla, I have no pereference, as long as it is close to water. Here in the desert we have lakes and rivers, but I can't tell you how much I miss saltwater.. As soon as this F^%$# airlines get their act together and stabilize, I will move down there. Both my wife and I are ready as can be!

DRIVEN1 06-30-2007 02:13 PM

[QUOTE=Kims;2183160]

Originally Posted by DRIVEN1 (Post 2183153)

The goal speedwise is 70MPH this year and 80MPH next year. I bought the boat three years ago in Maryland as a wreck and have restored it myself and also added the third engine. The way it sits right now, I have my outer motors way too deep and is trying to get my hands on a couple 20" midsections. Since completion I have only taken it out a few times and 70 is very close to a reality. If I get enough $$$ buildt up for the next season I will have Monthy build my engines and hence approach speeds of Fountains "world record"..:D But with the gas consumption of those monsters it is hard to build up any extra $$$ for such a project.
With respect to where in Fla, I have no pereference, as long as it is close to water. Here in the desert we have lakes and rivers, but I can't tell you how much I miss saltwater.. As soon as this F^%$# airlines get their act together and stabilize, I will move down there. Both my wife and I are ready as can be!

Good luck with your quest to get to Florida if you are waiting for the airlines. My brother-in-law worked for Northwest and tried for ten years to get back to FLorida with them. He was rewarded by being laid off a couple years ago. He now works for Jetblue and is living in Orlando. There are a couple Southwest pilots in my development.

cuda 06-30-2007 05:36 PM

[QUOTE=Kims;2183160]

Originally Posted by DRIVEN1 (Post 2183153)

The goal speedwise is 70MPH this year and 80MPH next year.

You'd be better off in Vegas until next year, then you might have a chance.;)

BOBCATMATHEWS 06-30-2007 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by Kims (Post 2182777)
Ain't no water in DeLand, been there before!

are you forgetting about the withalacoochee river,used to be some fast azz airboats up there that would go by and scare the chit out of you ,and leads to the gulf:drink:

cuda 06-30-2007 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by BOBCATMATHEWS (Post 2183323)
are you forgetting about the withalacoochee river,used to be some fast azz airboats up there that would go by and scare the chit out of you ,and leads to the gulf:drink:

The Withalacoochee River is about halfway across the state. The St John's is a half mile from my house. I live on a canal that leads to it. :)

FeverMike 06-30-2007 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by Donzi38ZR (Post 2182386)
First of all I dont think he'd be yapping those numbers out as a dealer of both those brands if they did not run what he says they run.. after all he's still going to be there when the customers come back from the run.

Secondly... Are you kidding? your comments are laughable at best....

1. a 36C running better in the rough than a 35 ZF...humm:rolleyes:
Your saying a 5200lbs hull rides better in the rough Vs 8000 lb. Come on dude... that's a Potato chip to the ZF :rolleyes: the fact they run about the same speed with the Donzi 3000lbs heavier should tell you something about the technology in the running surfaces.

2. You say, "Concept 36 and Donzi 35 ZF roll around at anchor or drift the same"
Who the heck gets a boat like these and worries about "roll around at anchor" or drift.... give me a break :rolleyes:

3. Does your looking at a Donzi & Concept back in 2002.. 5 years ago really hold opinion weight to what they are today? :rolleyes: not IMO....

Just to put it in perspective how long ago that was....I believe in 2002 Donzi came out with the 38 ZR Competition at which time your beloved Fountains did not see a championship until they bought the league years later and Donzi went racing overseas. LONG...LONG...time ago:


I stated my feelings of these 2 boats based on the lengthy test rides, many trips on a 35zf Donzi and owning a 36 Concept. If you do not agree that is fine and I could not care less but I based my opinions on facts. You believe everything a dealer says? Geesh...I was just questioning how he got those speed numbers.

The 2002-03 models of these 2 boats are exactly the same today in 2007 as they were then. Same hull same deck on both boats.

You might want to go and dump the piss out of your Corn Flakes and try milk with sugar...it's sweeter.:rolleyes:

cuda 06-30-2007 09:23 PM

Now, now, lets keep the blows above the belt. We can agree to disagree without malice.

FeverMike 06-30-2007 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by cuda (Post 2183437)
Now, now, lets keep the blows above the belt. We can agree to disagree without malice.

Yeah Cuda that's what I thought! I posted my factual thoughts on the boats...not slamming them at all...but I get slammed and my currect boat (which I NEVER mentioned in my post) gets slammed...geesh! HA!:drink:

THEJOKER 06-30-2007 10:21 PM

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