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Old 07-04-2007, 10:17 AM
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One of our customers dynoed his 540/M3/Rtech combo at JimKid Motorsports last year and saw 1000 HP @ 6000 RPM with 9.5 psi intake boost (on cast iron heads), so Nordicflame's estimate of 1050 HP on better aluminum heads (therefore lower boost) sounds pretty close to me.
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Old 07-04-2007, 11:15 AM
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Also, this boat ran 72 with a 496 Mag HO
Thanks, Eddie.
Intersting. That's about what all the Rage's I've tested run with the HO. Never seen more than 66 in a 28 running at our lakes, and that was under very good conditions, usually 63-64 range. Where and under what conditions were these numbers recorded? GPS? What prop and rpm? Is this a closed bow or open?
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Old 07-04-2007, 11:42 AM
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Eddie, I just went back and looked at Steve's dyno numbers to refresh my memory. They are posted in the Nordic section. Take a look at them and tell me what you think. You think it really made peak torque at 6500 RPM? Those numbers are totally out in left field for some reason...
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I haven't seen the dyno sheet, only talked to Eric about it. He called me to get my take on it. He thought he had to much cam in it.
I did not run the boat that fast but I did see the recall on the gps speedo. Maybe it did go down a waterfall I can't explain it. That is why I was thinking these boats are faster than they are based on that. I don't really have any experience with this particular hull so I can't tell you why there is a diff. The boat is an 06. Has Nordic changed anything?

Tomcat, those are some very impressive numbers. I may need to think about using one of your setups. Nothing else is making that kind of power. I actually saw you and wanted to talk to you at Tickfaw but never got the chance. Congrats, Eddie.
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Old 07-04-2007, 03:02 PM
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Intersting. That's about what all the Rage's I've tested run with the HO. Never seen more than 66 in a 28 running at our lakes, and that was under very good conditions, usually 63-64 range. Where and under what conditions were these numbers recorded? GPS? What prop and rpm? Is this a closed bow or open?
A recent issue of HotBoat magazine had an article on GPS vs. Radar vs. pitot tube speedometer readings. It's been awhile since I read this, but learned that sometimes GPS readings have a glitch to a much higher reading temporarily when switching satellites or something. It can be 5 mph, and you will see this when reading a stored max speed reading, or pulling up a recall. This can account for a one-time, never to be repeatable performance. Maybe this is an explanation?
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The owner told me that the boat RAN 72 on gps. I was not there so all I could do was hit the recall. He didn't specify if it was a one time deal or not. I will ask him next time I talk to him. I have personally seen a 5 mph difference between a gps/ plotter and a gps speedo in the same boat. I don't remember which was higher. Ultimately, there is only one way to find out. I guess I'll have the answer to my speed question soon enough.(well maybe not soon enough for the customer ) Thanks everyone for your replies, Eddie.
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Old 07-04-2007, 06:54 PM
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Eddie,
When I was racing, I kept a logbook of every pass.
I don't keep the same excellent records now that I did then with ET/RT/TS/RPM/EGT/ETC of every pass, but I can read my recall guages, and I'm pretty good at math. So here's my take:
1 my boat ran 76MPH stock when I bought it
2 next year, with an AZSM boost kit/ECU preprogramming, and a little prop work it ran 80
3 with the addition of Whipple intercooler and pullying up from 3.5" to 3" (6 PSI before and after the intercooler), it ran as you saw it December 85/86 (perfect conditions), and 83/84 in summer heat.
4 it ran a best of 94.5 this spring with Merc lab 32" B1 @ 5700
5 in summer heat and loaded (yesterday) it ran 89 @ 5750 with my regular 28" P5-X
I did run my 28" 90 lightly loaded at Cumberland @5850, and Bob's 29" also ran 90 @5700, and still pulling.
Bob and I and every other Heat tested here to our knowledge required 17HP to gain 1 MPH.
If you take Mercury's # of 550 PSHP on my 575SCI equalling 76 MPH (right in line all our #s), then it's taken 314.5 additional horsepower to get 94.5 MPH (94.5mph - 76mph = 18.5mph increase x 17HP per mph = 314.5 increase over stock 550 + 314.5 = a more realistic 864.5HP)
Take my word for it Eddie, the dyno #s don't add up to reality. There's no way the Nordic Heat (a BIG 28'er) will run in the 90s on 700HP. I wish they did.
A desktop dyno of my motor naturally aspirated is 700+HP. The BAM website says 826HP, currently configured (I don't know if that's bobtail or PSHP).
Based on your HP estimates for Nate and Jeff's motor, I think you'll knock on or exceed 100 in good conditions, and run mid 90s easily in heat and humidity. The extra torque of the 598" should make it more consistent/less weather sensitive than mine (+ or - 5MPH).
I have driven their boat. It needs rigging refinement, but handles similarly to mine, which is good. I would also impress on them and everyone else running these #s to wear good life jackets and hook up that kill switch!
Hope to see them back on the water soon. They're nice guys, but have had some tough luck so far.
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Eddie, I just went back and looked at Steve's dyno numbers to refresh my memory. They are posted in the Nordic section. Take a look at them and tell me what you think. You think it really made peak torque at 6500 RPM? Those numbers are totally out in left field for some reason...
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I totally agree. There is no way a Heat is going to run in the 90s with 713HP ...........
Please review my #s in the post above. Do you think they are realistic?
Thanks,
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Those numbers sound right in line. Just had a thought. Don't you have an imco lower unit with a nose cone? If so that could account for the fact you're getting better slip numbers than me, and maybe a little more speed /hp.

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I totally agree. There is no way a Heat is going to run in the 90s with 713HP ...........
Please review my #s in the post above. Do you think they are realistic?
Thanks,
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Steve,
Thanks for posting. Your boat is the only one I have seen run. As I said, I have not seen your dyno sheet, so I can't comment on it. Since you have driven this boat, how fast did it run? They told me 72 but, as I said, I wasn't there so I have to take their word. I did see the recall, but that doesn't mean much. Forgot to mention earlier that the motor had a set of CMI headers. Don't know what they are worth for hp on the 496 HO. I have heard as much as 50 hp, but that sounds kind of high to me. Don't know.

The boat will get a lot of re-rigging. It needs a lot to make it reliable with this kind of hp. The last pair of motors that I did like this were for Eric Smith and made 967 and 963 hp. The only diff. in these motors are the heads. I used Dart CNC's on Erics and this motor has Brodix heads. It will be interesting to see the diff in hp.
All I knew is what I had heard. That was that your motor made 700-750 hp and the boat ran in the 90's. That was all I initially had to go on. I did not see the dyno sheet nor was I there, so I don't know if it is right or not. I don't even know what is in your motor. With those numbers, you could see my confusion when compared to everyone else's numbers. Sorry if anyone got their feelings hurt. This is a very passionate group and thats good. You guys can be a wealth of info for me in dialing in this boat. I will keep you posted, Eddie.

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