thanks for correcting me and further making my point... :ernaehrung004:

Lets not forget Pizza Pizza,Kid apache ,Chunky express,inxs & Tweet Revenge all racing at the same time !Talking about kool,seeing all big vee bottom apache,sflying thru the ocean at the same time.

Yea that is cool Larry. I wish I was around to see it. Do you ever miss running the big vee's?? I wish we'd had a big Apache in some of the water we've been stuck in. Awesome boats!!!

A 65 Corvette Gran Sport?

No, he hasn't taken it to the limit yet because we didnt' go out in big water. There's a lot to learn with that, so we took on some 2 to 4's and 3 to 5's and want to try to ease into it.

We've only owned the boat less than two months. Next season (now that's she's out for the winter) we'll push her a little more, and a little more. :D

don't worry, I ran WOT only once this year.... :hitfan: Never ran above 4500 the entire season, didn't need to....:cool-smiley-026: We had a great time either way!:cool-smiley-011: The irony of it all is nothing major broke all season.... ;)

We ran WOT several times, but not for more than a minute. We did see 5300 a few times and she was still wanting to go, we just didn't want to break! :p

She loves to see 60 and 65, which is between 3600 and 4200 for us depending on which props we were using. We have a set of 17 x 28's and 17.5 x 31's (the later being labbed).

3000 is borning, but 3600 and over is too much fun!

By the way Panther, getting much sleep these days? :p How's that sweet little baby girl doing?

I'm with you two. I only opened mine up once and I rarely run over 4,000 rpms. Most the time my kid falls asleep when we are running so I keep it between 3,000 and 3500 rpms.

Aside from a pesky electrical annoyance I didn't break anything either. As of last weekend I had 78 hours for the season and all I did was put fuel in her and change the oil and filters.

Thanks for asking, she's doing great!!! So far it has been a lot easier than I was expecting.

Jodie, god bless her, gets a lot less sleep than I do... :D But mom and Ashley are doing well!

Glad to hear mom and Ashley are doing well. When she approaches the 6 to 8 week time period it will get easier and easier as far as sleep goes....well, hopefully! :p

Awwww, look at the baby sleeping on the bench....cute!

We put about 23 hours from Aug 24 to Oct 8, so not too bad for only having the boat 6 weeks!

Yeah the sleeping baby was last Sunday. Great day, 80 degrees plus. We were on our way back from a watering hole that has a beach for the kids and he crashed out as soon as I flipped the toggles and hit start. My wife was sitting next to him and I told her to get a pic.

He actually slept like that a couple weeks before when the OSS national championships was overwith and we had the snottiest washing machine water of the season.

We are so glad that we found our apache!

Offtopic.
Check my spelling and you´ll get it...or if you don´t you aint a car freak.

It´s more than wise to not rip everything out with the family.

So seems not many drop the hammer here owning pelasure versions but just cruise with them.
Just wonder at those mellow speeds if a Formula 419 SR-1 couldn´t run just as good.
I bet they will with the proper operator.

Looks etc is the another thing but like I said before There´s a Big difference between a normal commuter and a Racer...

My all time Favourite of them 47´s.

Offtopic.
Nope..you didn´t get it...if you want the original you´ll get a AC Cobra...a Mark4 it is nowadays as AC is the true factory who designed and completed the whole program.
Shelby just advertised and took credit of completing one and changed the name in US to Shelby Cobra back in the 60´s.
Brits did and designed the whole car from zero in the early 60´s and had it ready before shipping the first example to Shelby less engine and trans.
Now you wouldn´t find it a surprise if the Cobra didn´t run on it´s own power in secret in Britain first and not at Shelby american as it´s so well touted everywhere...just like ZR-1´s was run in secret first in Britain by Lotus and then had to be scrapped..problem is the Brits never scrapped them but made only a written statement they did (Don Aronow would´ve called that outsmarting I´m sure)..;)

Shelby had just a thought and was a helluva salesman..just like Don Aronow.
So If you want an originalhere´s a tip :
It´s made in Britain and is called a mk4 AC Cobra as that´s how long AC had to wait to get the credit and rights to do the real thing.

Corvette is a genuine American Sportscar or was until 1983 at least...I don´t think Mark and Lucy disagrees on this :)

topic

Regarding Apaches then IMO there can be bought genuine ones from McManus as he was building the 41´s in the beginning and after the split with "Bob And Ben" Bob is continuing with all up to 36´s and McManus stayed with Ben and later got all the rights for Apache.
He surely can build one according to the original buildplan, has the molds and also can build an updated boat too if anyone wants one.
Regarding a True Apache (if McManuses arent counted) in my eyes it has to one from the timeframe where Bobby and Ben was together building boats and Don Aronow was alive and giving his guidance to the projects, that narrows some a lot or what?
Those up to early 87´s are the only ones and especially the racers that can command a higher price as a boat or a project if being in somewhat condition if we really draw the bottom line.
Otherwise it´s just as the Cobra story where Ol Shel sues everyone that dares to mention the C word despite the fact he doesn´t have his heart in it anymore...(he´s on his third heart..second transplanted..)
So there´s another snakecharmer in my eyes...

I already figured it out as there's only two Corvette Grand Sport roadsters and neither one needs restoration.

AMERICAN PIE................

We hammer her down, just don't stay in it for miles at a time. It's not worth blowing the motors. Can you stay in it enough to pass your friends and enjoy the fun and razzing of it later? Yes you can.

Blowers are new to us. When we started looking at boats I told my husband no way on the blowers. Hmmm, didn't win that one. I also told him no old boats. Hmmmm, lost another one! :D However, our motors, done by Tommy at Chief, are so set up in our boat that us, along with many of our boating friends, are surprisingly pleased at how well they run and operate.

Do I know that one day something's going to happen that's going to cost us some money? Damn it, yes. But like I said earlier, there are always trade offs. My husband is smart enough to keep up on the maintenace of what it takes to keep the motors in good running condition, change the drive fluid every 20 hours as told, etc. More mainteance....but we have more boat, so to us it's worth it. To some, it isn't.

By the way, changed our name from rastinger to ChiefApache89. The Chief avatar just didn't go well with rastinger:-)

I can agree with that......which is all the more reason why they are rare and have been demanding higher prices.....

McManus "officially" owns the Apache rights as of what, a few years ago?? Much time has passed since the 80's and window of opportunity to keep the name alive has has past IMHO. Also, McManus hasn't built any Apache's, he's built "Commanche's" and spent the rest of the time refurbishing the older "Apaches". Now that he has the official rights, they are again "Apache's". Also, he never built the boats, he was in charge of operations and given control of the company when the government seized everything....from what I remember.

Again, all this history, heritage etc. adds to the aura of owning one of this pieces of offshore racing history.... AC Cobra, Shelby Cobra, what have you....they are both RARE and SOUGHT AFTER, which typically demands a higher price. If people don't find value in that, they simply don't purchase one, OR they just complain how expensive they are.:hitfan:

And a 1995 37' OuterLimits "on average" is demanding a higher resale than a 1995 36' Apache ($80-110K vs. $115-160K)....:hitfan: Both boats are no longer in production by either company.....but I know where the 37 OL molds are...the 36' Apache molds are cut up.... :(

As long as an Apache exists, the option for a mold exists too!

Has there been a new Apache since the silver one that went overseas?

"the 36' Apache molds are cut up...."

The 36' molds are still around. Mark will build a 36' if a client wants one.

Feel free to step right up, and plunk down a few hundred thou. I'm not near that excited about keeping a brand alive, though a 41 Apache would be the ultimate boat to me.

Yes, the "original" 36' Apache molds are gone and we probably wont see any more Saccenti 36 Apache's unless they make a new mold...very sad story....

I would assume you're talking about the 36' Commanche's...now rebadged Apache's

Semantics...:D

Not that I'm aware of....

I think there's more money in re-fabs and making fiberglass parts... :(

They are nice toys!

I stand corrected....

This is true, long story short McManus "aquired" the molds (not thru Bob) after the whole trademark debacle...

But, what is true is that you'll never be able to buy an authentic Saccenti Built 36' or 28'.

looking good pops:ernaehrung004:

AHHHHHHHHHH....
to some its just a boat...
to others its a passion.

Good thread - I hope to make a comment as an apache owner very soon.....albeit just a 28.

Had my brother over the other day and told him of the boat I'm closing a deal on. He couldn't understand why I would want to waist all that money on a go-fast boat with only 5 seats. I said - Well, because DREAMS COST MONEY!!!.

Huh?

The guy at the entrance to our lagoon (with the pier on the left as you enter) has both. Got a big ugly sail boat too :eek:

Gotta love that car! Whenever I see one I always ask if it's an orignal..99% of the time it isn't.

have fun boating on the mini boat tomorrow. We may get the kid out of the house for a few hours tomorrow!

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I would say most of us on this board would not tell someone hey I just bought a "Boat" but go in detail about it and not just call it a boat:D

Why Apache are so expensive? ..... who cares.....


why is it apache threads go on and on and on.... thats the question

Offcourse; Not as they aren´t used to what they are built to...to Go FULL TILT all the time.
Damn shame IMO.

And ALL those 5 GS Corvettes were made 1963....

Hmmm maybe because they are curiosity items..just like Apaches race wins..few and far between and do happen from time to time ?

People like underdog stories/fiction... just look at Rocky movies.
There´s also your answer to why many "diss" Cigarettes and Fountains and think Nor-Techs and other curiosita are something.
To me an Old Cig, Scarab or whatever RACEboat is a tad above their pleasure versions and gets my Thumbs up but touting the pleasure version being something else well ..close but no cigar despite being a whatever hi tech XZRSJ new edition special mumbojumbo.
And Yes Formulas with Kaamas/ASD´s gets my attention too.
Something out of the mainstream works and yes a Formula with Kaamas/ASD´s are underdogs/sleepers that can make the others look stoopiiid :)

Why are Apaches so expensive?

That's easy...You get what you pay for.