Liquid glass
03-02-2008 | 08:02 PM
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Well its been along day waiting for Randy to come back and tell us more lies after he has picked almost every post apart and now will not come back and rebut anything that was said in answer to him. I guess the story has been told. There is alot more of us out there and I spent the day getting the details togeather for him. There are 2-29s 2-27s 3-26s and one 31 all of them had massive problems and he didn't do or want to do anything about them. So thats 7 boats that he says never had a problem. I my 27 the bottom started falling off in chunks took it back to him at my expence from Syr, N.Y. to Iowa. Left it there and the nightmare really started. Or how about useing raw angle iron for a cabin door frame painted white and when it started rusting a staining the floor he denided that he used it. His repair on the bottom lasted 2 rides and came apart. When we took the boat off the trailer and looked at it there was automotive bondo and Tigre hair with red oxide primer under enamel paint no gel coat, paint ON THE BOTTOM.Well there is alot more but I won't bore you with it unless Randy wants to claim otherwise. I will say one good thing came of that trip out there and that was that I met Pat AT Active Thunder( on my way back home to pick up a boat for a dealer near me) oh how I wish that had happened before I ever saw or heard of Profile.
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03-02-2008 | 09:09 PM
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I have been and profile owner for 4 years and have a great boat that i have use hard, lake michigan, loto. If randy has made 500 boats in 25 years and a half dozen have had there issues so you say that is 1. something out of a 100( just over 1%)by god that is not to bad a record
I have been doing business with the public for almost 18 years and you can not please everyone.
dean is your record so good? I got
rid of 2 financial guys the last 2 years I want the same results
If it is give me a call
I have been doing business with the public for almost 18 years and you can not please everyone.
dean is your record so good? I got
rid of 2 financial guys the last 2 years I want the same results
If it is give me a call
03-02-2008 | 09:28 PM
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bblythe, I have never said anything about percentages of boats built, all I know is that all every one that was sold around here 100% of them were junk and he would not admitt it or do anything about it. When he did mine it was a night mare and he made it worse. Now I do not believe and never said every boat he built was bad. Just every single one I have seen or been around. Tell me can you find a stright line on yours? Are the strakes or chines not waveing at you from 25 ft away? And he comes on here and says he NEVER had a problem. When he told me he was starting to use Balsa for the transoms I new it was all over. And he hasn't come back to defend anything because he knows he can't.
03-02-2008 | 10:15 PM
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I have been and profile owner for 4 years and have a great boat that i have use hard, lake michigan, loto. If randy has made 500 boats in 25 years and a half dozen have had there issues so you say that is 1. something out of a 100( just over 1%)by god that is not to bad a record
I have been doing business with the public for almost 18 years and you can not please everyone.
dean is your record so good? I got
rid of 2 financial guys the last 2 years I want the same results
If it is give me a call
I have been doing business with the public for almost 18 years and you can not please everyone.
dean is your record so good? I got
rid of 2 financial guys the last 2 years I want the same results
If it is give me a call
as to my integrity with clients, if you want to put your self up with Randy as a example of how you run your shop, well, it is a free country... but make no mistake, I am a certifed professional, I would go to jail for doing things to clients comperable to what he tried with me and others... the level of punishment for fraud is much higher in my profession than his... so yes, I will say my reputation merits me telling this story is that is what you are getting at...I won't comment on the % of his boats that had problems, I am not qualified to, but it was more than a very minor %, and more than Randy himself got on here and stated. Is this thread, within the last 48 hours, someone got on here and told horrible and outright lies, either the various unrelated customers, or Randy Schultz. This is America, everyone gets to decide who to believe... it would have been a lot easier to say "hey, we made a small number of custoemrs unhappy in the past, we are going to try and correct that". But that is not in the attack dogs nature...
The issues I speak of are not manufacturing related, what I know about is what happened after the sale, or when there was a problem in more than a few situations. That I can document well. My best guess, at home without documents to look at for review, would be clsoer to 10% ended very badly...
But after all that is said, after a lot of work, and some fantastic local vendors did some amazing things for me, and a bunch of money, I have a nice boat that runs well. Randy's attempts to rip me off fail miserably, on three separate occasions. It was a headache, a lot of work on my part, and a fair amount of expense, but I prevailed. While there is still a sourness, I have no fight to pick, I already won mine, but like the dumb dog that just keep biting the hand that slaps it, here he is again, making more threats... aparently the third time was not the charm...
The only thing I have to gain from telling my story is the satisfaction of knowing some amazing guys here on OSO who have helped me in many many ways might somehow benefit from my relaying this event. If I did not know so many folks here I would keep out of it, raising this subject again only serves to remind me of the shoulder pains I still have from the accident, and the sickening feeling in my stomach from ever trusting them....
I have spoken with Cosmic12 and Bossman before, and know they both see the world through the same prism as I in that regard.... none of us are looking for anything in return, other than knowing we did our part to add to the common body of knowledge among OSO members...
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03-03-2008 | 11:05 AM
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Was on the green boat in Miami. Looked ok until a small boat wake came. When the wake hit the boat, it shuddered.
Can't imagine what it would do with larger wakes or offshore!. BTW: the wake came from a go-fast boat in a no-wake zone.
I also find it interesting that the reps presenting the boat kept repeating and making a big point that Randy Shultz has nothing to do with LG. Yet here he is on this thread. . . . . . . . . . .
Nice looking boat though.
Can't imagine what it would do with larger wakes or offshore!. BTW: the wake came from a go-fast boat in a no-wake zone.
I also find it interesting that the reps presenting the boat kept repeating and making a big point that Randy Shultz has nothing to do with LG. Yet here he is on this thread. . . . . . . . . . .
Nice looking boat though.
03-03-2008 | 11:31 AM
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I have been and profile owner for 4 years and have a great boat that i have use hard, lake michigan, loto. If randy has made 500 boats in 25 years and a half dozen have had there issues so you say that is 1. something out of a 100( just over 1%)by god that is not to bad a record
I have been doing business with the public for almost 18 years and you can not please everyone.
dean is your record so good? I got
rid of 2 financial guys the last 2 years I want the same results
If it is give me a call
I have been doing business with the public for almost 18 years and you can not please everyone.
dean is your record so good? I got
rid of 2 financial guys the last 2 years I want the same results
If it is give me a call
Before I found oso, I looked at a 37 foot profile. I knew nothing of the manufacturer, and went in with an open mind. The boat was cheap, so I knew it wouldn't be in perfect condition. What I saw shocked me, IMO the boat needs to be scrapped.
Here is a short list of what was very wrong with the boat I looked at. First, there wasn't a straight line on the boat. The deck had more waves than the Atlantic, even the center line from the fairing to the bow was not straight!! It wasn't just a little wavy, in the middle of the deck it was about 1/2 inch off of straight, then went back to the semi right direction after that. Forget bout the sides.
Luckily it was raining when I saw the boat, because it was also raining inside the cabin! Everything was soaked, and it was literally flowing water though every where, even the deck joints. Every piece of trim was metal that looked to be hand painted at one point, now just rusted plain steel. Aluminum could not have been much more money to use.
The only good thing on the whole boat were the HP500s, and profile had nothing to do with those. Forget about the rigging.
Now, I wouldn't come onto this post bashing a completely different manufacturer if it weren't for the claiming of a small percentage of boats being bad.
I would hope that liquid glass does not have even half the problems that I have seen first hand, and then heard many accounts of personally.
Dean said it best. It would have been much, much better to come on here and say "yes, we have had some issues, and learned from our mistakes".
Denying something that everyone knows as fact gets you nowhere. Its called responsibility for your actions. Take it, admit it, and learn from it.
03-03-2008 | 11:47 AM
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Was on the green boat in Miami. Looked ok until a small boat wake came. When the wake hit the boat, it shuddered.
Can't imagine what it would do with larger wakes or offshore!. BTW: the wake came from a go-fast boat in a no-wake zone.
I also find it interesting that the reps presenting the boat kept repeating and making a big point that Randy Shultz has nothing to do with LG. Yet here he is on this thread. . . . . . . . . . .
Nice looking boat though.
Can't imagine what it would do with larger wakes or offshore!. BTW: the wake came from a go-fast boat in a no-wake zone.
I also find it interesting that the reps presenting the boat kept repeating and making a big point that Randy Shultz has nothing to do with LG. Yet here he is on this thread. . . . . . . . . . .
Nice looking boat though.
at great lengths. http:www.liquidglassboats.com
He has had 30 years of experience hands on which is more than many other manufacturers. He was driving the boat during the whole show in Miami and was there with the reps.
This site is so full of unreliable information I don't know what to believe. Thanks to everyone though because due to all these threads iour LG website has record breaking traffic and we have sold 2 boats just since this broke!
03-03-2008 | 11:59 AM
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the owner is a long time criminal who screwed several here on this forum.... long, long story, and not an ounce of it good.... me defination of criminal come from criminal back ground checks....
again, criminal records, court documents, get the info before laying down this kind of cash....
again, criminal records, court documents, get the info before laying down this kind of cash....
Thank you!
I hope they do, as they should before buying. My new customers have and they have purchased!
http://www.liquidglassboats.com
Thanks for the publicity Dean. It has HELPED our new business! The more you go on about me, the more they check us out and they are finding out for themselves what a great boat we build!
People who have seen our new cat, inspected it, and rode in it are buying. The CE inspector for Europe has also concluded it is of EXCELLENT Quality! If it wasn't we couldn't have received the CE. One thing I made sure about this new cat and that was Perfection!
Have a great tax time!
Randy and Debbie Schultz
03-03-2008 | 12:01 PM
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Randy,
Please reframe from insults and lies about me... people on this board know me and last weekend some were sitting at Ker's Winghouse with me over a beer... the 400lb comment is simply more of your lies... it simply starts the conversation with everyone knowing you are a liar...
The boat had all the original equipment, should I post pictures? This is another lie.
As to the boat being abused, should I ask the folks here, on this forum, who saw the boat before and after about abused?
Work orders and pictures are simply state more of the lies you have stated and implied.
As to paying for the work done, you were paid for work that was not done, or so poorly done it was worse than before you started, which is why MC reversed the charge from the first dispute resolution, and then upheld the reversal from the second hearing you requested. This is simply another lie.
Randy, with what little respect I can muster for you, I will make the following educational comments. i hope you are smart enough to listen to them:
1) In my profession I keep documents to build and verify facts. I have the documents relating to our issue in my possession and you should have seen them. If not I will be glad to post them here for your review.
2) This issue was settled TWICE in my favor by neutral third parties, you know this, and I would bet a jury of boating enthusiast like the folks here at OSO would find the same result if the need arises to have yet ANOTHER hearing on the matter.
3) You do not know all of the info I have on you personally, it was legally obtained, and you probably don't want it posted here. Do you want to take that chance?????
4)You do not want to start this here, you got betch slapped last time here, it will happen again, best to simply go quietly into the night...
5) Lastly, you committed credit card fraud against me personally; the evidence of this is so overwhelming it is a dead issue. From the statements I have from others it was hardly the first time, it was just the first time someone betch slapped you for it and you are pised off you could not screw me like you had so many others. The only thing greater than your ignorance, is your arragoance.
For those reading this story... here is the TRUTH...
I bought the boat from a State Farm Agency Owner near LOTO, he was the second owner, and simply did not use it any more, it was in good shape but dated, the rear deck pad was very serviceable but had tears on the edges... after using the boat a couple months during a turn the bolster seats came apart, throwing me across the cabin, resulting in a lot of injury and a hospital stay. I called Randy Schultz, he and Debbie wanted the boat back and promised to fix it. I assumed they were honest people, so I contracted with them to have a complete interior done and paint the boat. I paid $14K for the work, $7K upfront, and the balance when completed. The exact work to be done was EXTNSIVELY documented.
In December, with absolute no prior notice, and after three months, I get a call stating it was on its way and sign the authorization for the remainder, I refused without seeing the work done. When it arrived the interior was half of what was agreed to and the wrong color, the exterior was to be painted red fading to orange and then yellow, instead there was a grey vinyl stripe. The texture of the hull was that of a painted concrete wall, and the motors (which were to have been winterized) were frozen solid. Additionally there was 2" of ice in the bilge, and the cabin had 6" of ice in it.
I immediately took the boat to a local certified mercruiser chop, I called Randy and he said frozen motors were no big deal and I had "gotten a deal". I tried on 4 occasions express my dissatisfaction, to no avail. After the last cursing I filed a complaint with MC dispute resolution process. The complaint was settled with him getting 50% of the payment. EXTENSIVE documentation was retained to create a paper trail of what had transpired.
Randy then threw a fit and asks for an appeal, the appeal found the first dispute resolution was correct and closed the case. From that point I considered it settled, I hired a local shop to fix the paint and interior, I paid less than half what I paid Randy to redo EVERYTHING from start to finish, and received a fantastic job. I was still in awe at all of this, I had trusted him, he sounded like an honest man, and I believed in him. I simply wanted this sad chapter to end.
A year later I get a suit filed against me in Iowa, after trying to get venue changed unsuccessfully I hired the president if the Iowa Bar association to represent me in this matter. I also started a long conversation here on OSO which resulted in much negative publicity for Profile and Randy Schultz. During this process I was contacted by no less than 15 people with similar stories, WHO SIGNED SWORN AFADIVIDS TO THIS FACT. Two were even ex-family members of the Schultz. I also hired a PI to find out what info was available that I needed to know. To say the info was shocking is an understatement. (However before you spend this kind of money with someone I suggest you do the same. The country where much (but not all) of the court documents is Bremner County IA.)
The case was settled in my favor despite multiple claims I had slandered him and his company. The defense to slander claims is evidence the claims are true. Randy did not push this because, according to my attorney, he did not want the evidence of what I had said entered into a court as evidence. (I do not have the case # here but I can post it tomorrow if anyone would like to research.)
The start of this problem was Randy was selling the company and instead of doing it right was rushing to get the boat out of the work in process category. He had a history of half-ass repairs, senakin the boat back to the owner in the middle of the night, and since it worked in the past, he decided to try it again.
Here is the part I have been told, but do not have evidence of, but it does fit the rest of the story. Randy found some guy with too much money and not enough business sense to buy the V Hull part of the company. It was a very poorly executed business sale. The boat was painted with Emron, in a non-climate controlled environment, resulting in the textured hull; the interior was replaced with left over parts in the warehouse (which is why the wrong color and half completed job). The frozen motors were pure ignorance or laziness. These motors failed and were soon replaced with another set, today the boat has 502mpi's purchased from someone through the OSO classifieds.
Randy
I suggest you leave me out of it, and keep your lies and false assertions to yourself. Look at my post count, that should tell you I have had LOTS of conversations with folks here, yu just can't see them because you are not a OSO member, ratehr more like a guest. Members have access to places you can't go. This is more evidence of your not doing your homework before shooting off at the mouth. And I believe, about the same way you build boats and run a business.
You tried hard to screw me and I beat you at that game three times already, you apparently are not that bright. You do not want this pissing contest with me and quite frankly I do not either, but if you start it, rest assured I will open up with both barrels, and I have nothing to lose by exposing you for who you are. In the words of a old coon dog hunter friend of mine, "don't **** where you sleep"....
Oh, and as to not having the money to afford what I want, you have no clue, no fking clue what so ever....
Please reframe from insults and lies about me... people on this board know me and last weekend some were sitting at Ker's Winghouse with me over a beer... the 400lb comment is simply more of your lies... it simply starts the conversation with everyone knowing you are a liar...
The boat had all the original equipment, should I post pictures? This is another lie.
As to the boat being abused, should I ask the folks here, on this forum, who saw the boat before and after about abused?
Work orders and pictures are simply state more of the lies you have stated and implied.
As to paying for the work done, you were paid for work that was not done, or so poorly done it was worse than before you started, which is why MC reversed the charge from the first dispute resolution, and then upheld the reversal from the second hearing you requested. This is simply another lie.
Randy, with what little respect I can muster for you, I will make the following educational comments. i hope you are smart enough to listen to them:
1) In my profession I keep documents to build and verify facts. I have the documents relating to our issue in my possession and you should have seen them. If not I will be glad to post them here for your review.
2) This issue was settled TWICE in my favor by neutral third parties, you know this, and I would bet a jury of boating enthusiast like the folks here at OSO would find the same result if the need arises to have yet ANOTHER hearing on the matter.
3) You do not know all of the info I have on you personally, it was legally obtained, and you probably don't want it posted here. Do you want to take that chance?????
4)You do not want to start this here, you got betch slapped last time here, it will happen again, best to simply go quietly into the night...
5) Lastly, you committed credit card fraud against me personally; the evidence of this is so overwhelming it is a dead issue. From the statements I have from others it was hardly the first time, it was just the first time someone betch slapped you for it and you are pised off you could not screw me like you had so many others. The only thing greater than your ignorance, is your arragoance.
For those reading this story... here is the TRUTH...
I bought the boat from a State Farm Agency Owner near LOTO, he was the second owner, and simply did not use it any more, it was in good shape but dated, the rear deck pad was very serviceable but had tears on the edges... after using the boat a couple months during a turn the bolster seats came apart, throwing me across the cabin, resulting in a lot of injury and a hospital stay. I called Randy Schultz, he and Debbie wanted the boat back and promised to fix it. I assumed they were honest people, so I contracted with them to have a complete interior done and paint the boat. I paid $14K for the work, $7K upfront, and the balance when completed. The exact work to be done was EXTNSIVELY documented.
In December, with absolute no prior notice, and after three months, I get a call stating it was on its way and sign the authorization for the remainder, I refused without seeing the work done. When it arrived the interior was half of what was agreed to and the wrong color, the exterior was to be painted red fading to orange and then yellow, instead there was a grey vinyl stripe. The texture of the hull was that of a painted concrete wall, and the motors (which were to have been winterized) were frozen solid. Additionally there was 2" of ice in the bilge, and the cabin had 6" of ice in it.
I immediately took the boat to a local certified mercruiser chop, I called Randy and he said frozen motors were no big deal and I had "gotten a deal". I tried on 4 occasions express my dissatisfaction, to no avail. After the last cursing I filed a complaint with MC dispute resolution process. The complaint was settled with him getting 50% of the payment. EXTENSIVE documentation was retained to create a paper trail of what had transpired.
Randy then threw a fit and asks for an appeal, the appeal found the first dispute resolution was correct and closed the case. From that point I considered it settled, I hired a local shop to fix the paint and interior, I paid less than half what I paid Randy to redo EVERYTHING from start to finish, and received a fantastic job. I was still in awe at all of this, I had trusted him, he sounded like an honest man, and I believed in him. I simply wanted this sad chapter to end.
A year later I get a suit filed against me in Iowa, after trying to get venue changed unsuccessfully I hired the president if the Iowa Bar association to represent me in this matter. I also started a long conversation here on OSO which resulted in much negative publicity for Profile and Randy Schultz. During this process I was contacted by no less than 15 people with similar stories, WHO SIGNED SWORN AFADIVIDS TO THIS FACT. Two were even ex-family members of the Schultz. I also hired a PI to find out what info was available that I needed to know. To say the info was shocking is an understatement. (However before you spend this kind of money with someone I suggest you do the same. The country where much (but not all) of the court documents is Bremner County IA.)
The case was settled in my favor despite multiple claims I had slandered him and his company. The defense to slander claims is evidence the claims are true. Randy did not push this because, according to my attorney, he did not want the evidence of what I had said entered into a court as evidence. (I do not have the case # here but I can post it tomorrow if anyone would like to research.)
The start of this problem was Randy was selling the company and instead of doing it right was rushing to get the boat out of the work in process category. He had a history of half-ass repairs, senakin the boat back to the owner in the middle of the night, and since it worked in the past, he decided to try it again.
Here is the part I have been told, but do not have evidence of, but it does fit the rest of the story. Randy found some guy with too much money and not enough business sense to buy the V Hull part of the company. It was a very poorly executed business sale. The boat was painted with Emron, in a non-climate controlled environment, resulting in the textured hull; the interior was replaced with left over parts in the warehouse (which is why the wrong color and half completed job). The frozen motors were pure ignorance or laziness. These motors failed and were soon replaced with another set, today the boat has 502mpi's purchased from someone through the OSO classifieds.
Randy
I suggest you leave me out of it, and keep your lies and false assertions to yourself. Look at my post count, that should tell you I have had LOTS of conversations with folks here, yu just can't see them because you are not a OSO member, ratehr more like a guest. Members have access to places you can't go. This is more evidence of your not doing your homework before shooting off at the mouth. And I believe, about the same way you build boats and run a business.
You tried hard to screw me and I beat you at that game three times already, you apparently are not that bright. You do not want this pissing contest with me and quite frankly I do not either, but if you start it, rest assured I will open up with both barrels, and I have nothing to lose by exposing you for who you are. In the words of a old coon dog hunter friend of mine, "don't **** where you sleep"....
Oh, and as to not having the money to afford what I want, you have no clue, no fking clue what so ever....
