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Old 03-10-2008, 01:19 PM
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If you want to look up conspiracy theories, deep physics and all kinds of other fun things, just do some google searches on these topics:

ether
zero point energy
searl effect generator
and even the Hutchison effec

The idea of zero point energy, and ether makes sence. Your not getting perpetual motion, simply converting a different form of energy into more energy. Magnet motors are one theory. The fact that you can vary the force of magnetism by moving the magnets apart in a different lines explains how these things could work.

Very interesting reading, it goes from aliens gave us technology to government not allowing free energy to dump on the market, for good reason.

I had a good physics 2 teacher at NJIT, and have been very interested in non-conventional theories.. true or untrue.
Hutchinson and Searl are pretty amusing to me. About the only thing Hutchinson can be accounted for is being able to build a crude film studio backdrop upside down to show objects falling away from the ground, very cheesy and poor quality to say the least. At no point has he or anyone been able to support any of it technically. Honestly i dont think any of the clips look even remotely convincing. Hell, all of his equipment is nothing more than old surplus electronics scavenged off old ships and stuff. Searl on the other hand at least makes it look convincing and you have to give him credit for being able to market the idea. Most if not all of these "breakthroughs" have some sort of outside source of energy that the inventor will claim is being worked out and will not be in a final prototype (or they will just hide it all together). There is no free lunch in physics.


I do think these kind of things have a place though, they spur the imagination. That is what allows us to truly make progress. The true gains are made in continually refining efficiencies and theories that can be proven. Zero point energy holds some promise in the fact that we can put together the theories that appear to support it but with current day physics it is difficult to prove. Much the same way string theory can be supported mathematically, it exists at a sub atomic level (very far past) that we cannot detect directly (difficult even indirectly really). I dont know much about Zero Point but heres my take. Basically its dragging a stationary point of reference in the flow of space/time. In other words anchoring a point in a dimension where time is stopped or in a different frame of reference and extracting energy from the flow of general relativity (gravity) through/around it. Expansion theory suggests that all points in space are accelerating away from each other at the same rate, bridge two of these points and use the motion as an energy source. Problem is in order for it to work they need to be connected between two separate dimensions or reference frames. I think the Lorentz Transform eliminates this ability (in current day physics) who knows . . .maybe they'll get around it some day, but even expansion is being questioned these days.

These are just my own thoughts, they may be totally wrong. Put me on a shelf with John Hutchinson if you'de like. I just find it fun to ponder
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Burning these swiftly=renewable materials is certainly sound science. They're nothing more than solar batteries.

As far as using the water, based on the power output potential of a gallon of water (assuming you could separate the molecules efficiently) compared to the sheer volume of water held in the oceans- 360 quintillion gallons, I think we'd be OK.
(I had to look that one up- is a quintillion alot? More than a Brazilian?)
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Hutchinson and Searl are pretty amusing to me. About the only thing Hutchinson can be accounted for is being able to build a crude film studio backdrop upside down to show objects falling away from the ground, very cheesy and poor quality to say the least. At no point has he or anyone been able to support any of it technically. Honestly i dont think any of the clips look even remotely convincing. Hell, all of his equipment is nothing more than old surplus electronics scavenged off old ships and stuff. Searl on the other hand at least makes it look convincing and you have to give him credit for being able to market the idea. Most if not all of these "breakthroughs" have some sort of outside source of energy that the inventor will claim is being worked out and will not be in a final prototype (or they will just hide it all together). There is no free lunch in physics.


I do think these kind of things have a place though, they spur the imagination. That is what allows us to truly make progress. The true gains are made in continually refining efficiencies and theories that can be proven. Zero point energy holds some promise in the fact that we can put together the theories that appear to support it but with current day physics it is difficult to prove. Much the same way string theory can be supported mathematically, it exists at a sub atomic level (very far past) that we cannot detect directly (difficult even indirectly really). I dont know much about Zero Point but heres my take. Basically its dragging a stationary point of reference in the flow of space/time. In other words anchoring a point in a dimension where time is stopped or in a different frame of reference and extracting energy from the flow of general relativity (gravity) through/around it. Expansion theory suggests that all points in space are accelerating away from each other at the same rate, bridge two of these points and use the motion as an energy source. Problem is in order for it to work they need to be connected between two separate dimensions or reference frames. I think the Lorentz Transform eliminates this ability (in current day physics) who knows . . .maybe they'll get around it some day, but even expansion is being questioned these days.

These are just my own thoughts, they may be totally wrong. Put me on a shelf with John Hutchinson if you'de like. I just find it fun to ponder

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I think it was at upside down
Sounds more like an episode of DR Who.
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Yes, very fun to ponder. There are lots of other things, like the nazi bell experiments, and some Russian experiments involving superconductors that are supposed to have caused some very interesting effects.

Hutchison is funny, and they even had him on a history channel show on mini-black holes on earth as a Dr. Hutchison, philosopher or something like that. That made me laugh.
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Sounds more like an episode of DR Who.
That quick huh? . . that was like in the first sentance
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Yes, very fun to ponder. There are lots of other things, like the nazi bell experiments, and some Russian experiments involving superconductors that are supposed to have caused some very interesting effects.

Hutchison is funny, and they even had him on a history channel show on mini-black holes on earth as a Dr. Hutchison, philosopher or something like that. That made me laugh.
You know, when the first atomic bomb was set off there was some speculation that it would set off an uncontrollable reaction and wipe out our very exsistance. It was thought that the internal pressures of the initial conversion of the small amount of matter to energy could carry on to the matter in the atmosphere itself. They were reasonably sure this would not happen but the thought still arose. Could very well have been where the phrase "see ya on the other side" came from, as they hit the button . . . .oh by the way . . . it did not continue un-controlled

my interest is mostly with the historical aspect and the simplicity and elegance of which modern day physics evolved through constant refining of previous theories. That would have been amusing to see the Hutchinson thing on TV. If i'm not mistaken he has no classical training what so ever. I dont believe i have any asperations of linking quantum mechanics with gereral relativity but it is fun to think about. A wise man once said "its easy to be creative and its easy to be credible, it is difficult to be both"

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You know, when the first atomic bomb was set off there was some speculation that it would set off an uncontrollable reaction and wipe out our very exsistance. It was thought that the internal pressures of the initial conversion of the small amount of matter to energy could carry on to the matter in the atmosphere itself. They were reasonably sure this would not happen but the thought still arose. Could very well have been where the phrase "see ya on the other side" came from, as they hit the button . . . .oh by the way . . . it did not continue un-controlled

my interest is mostly with the historical aspect and the simplicity and elegance of which modern day physics evolved through constant refining of previous theories. That would have been amusing to see the Hutchinson thing on TV. If i'm not mistaken he has no classical training what so ever. I dont believe i have any asperations of linking quantum mechanics with gereral relativity but it is fun to think about. A wise man once said "its easy to be creative and its easy to be credible, it is difficult to be both"

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ya know, all these really big posts of yours are starting to make me wonder if you are the real unibomber...boat done yet?
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