T2x

Good point...but I am reminded of something my folks always told me...

Never confuse quantity with quality.

T2x

MANITIE

Jim...thats what I was posting about....guys like Daredevil are in P-Class and he is the only one in his class...so YES...they are talking about taking away a title from P-Class

MANITIE

So you did not enjoy the P-Class racing you watched on Sunday...

MANITIE

So TX2...I read a prior post of yours....and I've heard you have been around for a long time and talk highly about you....So it sound like you think there are a lot of big money teams crying they all want it there way....Am I correct....

Ryan Beckley

I DO AGREE that there are too many classes in OSS. We know OSS in NOT perfect and are working on doing the best we can in these tough times. OPA is doing a great job with there numbers and sites as well, I have said it before P-class racing is OK with me I did it but was not my cup of tea. This conversation should be people calling one person out it's about the whole state of the sport.

Everyone here has alot of heart into this , we all want it to succeed we just have different views on what success is and the road to getting there.

T2x

For the record I went to Patchogue because:

1. I live nearby....
2. I wanted to see old friends like Steve Curtis, Tom Abrams, Augie Penza, Mike D'Anniballe, Paul Whittier, etc
3. I wanted to support Joey Imprescia, a close friend, although, I must say, I believe he belonged in a big cat.

Also for the record, I found the racing boring...until the final spec race.. except for the fiasco in turn one when the class 2/3 boats all went barreling in out of control and bounced off each other like crazed pin balls....Exciting?...yes....Impressive?...not in the least...amateurish?....... you betcha. ( Not one...not two...but three...count 'em...three boats on plane in the MIDDLE OF THE SPECTATOR FLEET..... a very crowded spectator fleet I might add......... a truly bone headed moment in sports history... and, thankfully, not a tragic one.)

T2x

2 Trick Rick

I have spent more time on this thread than racing this year...

MANITIE

Ryan...I think a lot of us are on the same page....Spec racing is not for everyone and P-Class racing is not for everyone....

Is there to many Spec Class's....I think alot of us think there are to many...
Is 6 P-Class's to much...I think thats a good number....it covers a lot of boats

Do all the Orgs have good race sites...yes I do....

The road to success is kida easy....OSS is spec racing....OPA is P-Class racing and SBI/APBA is both Spec and P-Class racing...we all just need to build a program to get more teams to come out...

Once the number of class's come down....the number of boats in a class will come up...we all said this 5 years ago....

and maybe the conversation of 1 boat in a class will no longer be....

MANITIE

TX2....but I'm woundring....were is the problem...racers making the rules or big money teams getting there way...you have been in this for what over 30 years...its sounds like in your above post that racers all want it there way

T2x

Almost.....there are a lot of big and small money teams crying they all want it there way. That is not something reserved exclusively for the wealthy teams.

In the past....... the good old days....long ago in a universe far, far away...... back in the USSR boys......Four score and seven years ago...... In the forest primeval....... right after the "big bang"....... The "national classes" were pretty consistent and raced year in and year out without much commotion, b*thchin', or rule changes. The little guys have always whined like school kids ( I wanna trophy!...I wanna be on TV!!!...... I wanna reporter to talk to me!!!.....)..... But they're entitled to because basically they are relatively new at it and are immature in a lot of ways.

Today the inmates have taken over the asylum......

In retrospect it all started going downhill when OPT broke away from the APBA/UIM........ and it has gotten progressively worse with each new group. If you had watched it year by year from my perch it is as clear as a graph that trends steadily downward....... and each year you hear the same trite platitudes of "bigger and better"..."deck to deck"....."letting it all hang out"... "Together we race".... "new visions"...and the other meaningless B.S. that passes for new wine in old bottles.

Bottom line, a mistake was made 20 years ago, and we have built on a flawed foundation ever since. I don't know what it will take to bring this sport back to its simple basics....... but any other approach is just more time and money wasted....IMHO.

T2x