:drink: Had to jump in!!:drink: I'll try to post some in the next week or two!! I can fly a plane and race boats but can't post a pic!!! I know, what a moron!! Posting pics will be a goal for next year!!

I'm starting to get some reports that agree with this statement.........stay tuned, what a shame! Here is a couple of pics of sea conditions that day........Yeow, a submarine!

I agree, you can't really compare it to a closed canopy, epoxy lay up, stepped bottom boat, that would be like comparing a new Z06 Vette to an old Hemi Cuda'

I have spent many hours on Kemo and for a nearly 20yr old open cockpit 18,000lb resin bucket V-bottom IT SETS THE BAR FOR WAVE CRUSHERS. You nail the throttles and it pins you back in the bolsters and it is surprisingly very nimble.

So, any more info about the structural failures? I know I have seen some pics of a drive damage from that race.

//Mange

Comanche, those are all great vids. I love the old stuff. Is it me or do you agree, it seems all the racing today seems to be in much smoother water and the races are so short. There are no long straight aways in big rough seas like there used to be. The one rough race I was looking forward to watching was Atlantic City, and they cancelled it cause it was too rough. I wonder if it was really too rough, or rough like it was in the old days.

could u shoot me a p.m .

Well, rough water is really exciting, challenging, and of course dangerous. A powerboat's sea keeping abilities and a race team that can utilize them really come into play. Famous & infamous offshore racers like Aronow & Kramer loved rough seas and were entertaining to watch. The water in AC 2010 was their type of water, and yes it was dangerous, but that was what made offshore powerboat racing great & set it apart, on a higher plateau. It had an air of danger to it. Rough water really exemplifies the boat manufacterers & race teams. Something small water and high speeds can not equal. Just my opinion.

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These?
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They switched to Outerlimits this season though, right? I could be wrong, but that says a lot about outerlimits. It'll take years for anyone to publicly prove to be a better wave crusher than Apache in the racing circuit, but I think outerlimits will be the first to supersede.

the best .is APACHE,S 41,45,&47...HANDS DOWN :signs043:

Thats awesome Jim!!

Really flyin!

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This is great!!! My 13 year old son gave me some lessons!! I'll try to find more pics!! Merry Christmas everybody!!!

Merry Christmas!

How did your Apache handle at 130?

I'm thinking AC 2010 was rough like in the old days , but remember these new fangled powerboats go 130, just not in those seas. LOL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAeUqU5L6bo

Some more rough water vid. & pics. -
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Hey Fred, Merry Christmas and thanks for diggin the OL tee out for me !
Ken

Ho ho ho dude. :)

The answer to post #425 by SS930 : A 30' Sonic w/ SBC & Alpha drives was the only boat that finished. App. 6 hrs 15 min. 4 - 5 other boats... DFN. The 27' MAGNUM'S that ran in the Bahama 500 back in the day proved they could run in big water !!! "HIGH LIFE"

I read about that, must have been the race I was talking about, just got my years mixed up... :lolhit:

Here is another important aspect of a rough water powerboat....Build Quality! Here is a 20 year old Kevlar 41 Apache racing in 1990 & 2010! Quite a testimony! Zul power back in 1990.....top shelf engine builder!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sesx31gLp4

Sutphen is the same way!!!

I don't know about Sutphen, but Apache uses kevlar, plus carbon fiber in the high stress areas. Amazing durability.
I was going to get into that recent build quality debacle concerning that beautiful looking powerboat that everyone (myself included) had such high hopes for......maybe another time, it's too depressing.

A little known fact before Apache was anything,Ben wanted Richie Sutphen to build the boats for him!! If you want to talk about standing the test if time the Carbon Fiber Epoxy Outerlimits will outlast anything.

I believe Ben aquired Mark from Don Aronow.
We will have this durability conversation in 20 years. LOL!

Thats what NT did on my last boat.. She was rock solid.

All I know is Ben approached Richie and wanted him to build the boats for him since Sutphen's are built so well and dominated racing.

This thread just keeps getting more and more entertaining!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!!! :D:drink::evilb::evilb:

71,000 views! It is a good thread!

What you dont believe in new thechnology or Ben asking Richie do you....???

no doubt Apaches probably feel smoother in rough water,but that is because of many reasons. All these boats we are talking about are 3 seater race boats. ? so is the question ride quality or faster in rough water?. I have never seen an Apache in front of me.

I have been on this one wave crushing to Put In Bay on Lake Erie, she is one bad Apache..:drink:

Welcome to OSO Bill! How's the boat been running with the 1075's?

RUNS GREAT. still testing props ran 142 at 5700.

Thats awesome cause there's more in it!!!

Beautiful Apache!!! I think I saw that one in Key West last year or the year before. Nice show boat!! Everything was perfect on that boat!!