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I actually had the privelege of going for a test ride in Warpath back in 85. I can't possibly think of a boat that could do better in rough water. I was in the NJ race that the now infamous video was taken. When we made the turn at Seaside the waves were huge and right in your face. One of our crew broke his back and we had to stop. Look at the video again and watch Panasonic going up and down the wave faces. He was doing maybe 40-45. Then watch warpath going through that same water at 85-90. It puts it in perspective.
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Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin
(Post 2650854)
The Apache 47 makes the 41 look like a bathtub toy.
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Originally Posted by jhiguy377
(Post 2651725)
So now you're an expert on "bathtub toys" ?
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Originally Posted by ChiefApache89
(Post 2651703)
You know it Viper! We are just learning this ourselves. Anyone have any idea what it's like to own a 31' boat and then jump up to a 41' Apache and run it in rough water? We were lucky to do 2800 RPM in rough water with our Stinger.
We're forced to do at least 70+MPH in rough water so we're not getting the crap beat out of us or the boat. That's instense when you're not use to driving/riding in rough water. I can't wait until the day Rob can stick the throttles forward and keep them there (throttling of course when needed---there's a whole other thread you can start and discuss because not everyone can throttle well), and look forward when the two of us have more fun with our ride instead of the intentisy we are experiencing today, and rightfully so. Rob has a lot to learn in how to drive the our 41 in rough water, and he's not going to do that in one season. It depends on the waves and then there's dealing with Lake Erie. :angry-smiley-038: Ask Bobby Saccenti what he thinks of driving on Lake Erie. It ain't pretty! I can't wait to see what he does next season after having a full season under his belt. What he's learned just this season is amazing. How well a boat does in rough water will depend on the driver. Skramer can kick a$$ in rough water in his 35 Cafe. LEOPAJM gave us a ride in his 41 Saber a month ago in 6+ footers. Talk about intense, but exhiliarting. I wasn't sure if I wanted to laugh or cry at times. He's awesome at driving and that Saber is unbelieveable in rough water! It was a ride I will never forget! Again, both guys know how to drive a boat in rough water. If you don't it takes balls to get out in the rough stuff, put the throttles forward when your legs feel like jell-o and your hearts racing a million miles an hour. In the end and once you learn how to drive, it will be worth all the shaky legs and heart racing. i think you made the best point!!! DRIVER! its the most important variable to this thread... ive had a blast this year running my apache.. only thing i can compare in rough water is my 32' fountain and let me tell you the difference is night and day! but i think that goes without saying... |
Originally Posted by Viperfitness1
(Post 2651768)
i think you made the best point!!! DRIVER! its the most important variable to this thread...
ive had a blast this year running my apache.. only thing i can compare in rough water is my 32' fountain and let me tell you the difference is night and day! but i think that goes without saying... What is the biggest water you personally have had your Apache in since owning it? Just curious. |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2651615)
I'm not sure I agree......
I believe the 40 foot Skater will give the 41 Apache a run (I've seen one eat up a 47 Apache in a very rough race...but the 41 is a better boat). The famous footage off Point Pleasant was shot on a day when the 50 foot Popeye's Aluminum Cougar cat could not run in the conditions. Certain boats simply excel in the rough for their size, the 41 Apache, the 40 foot Skater, the 30 foot Shadow, the Cougar Vees, and Buzzi's behemoths. |
Originally Posted by Viperfitness1
(Post 2651681)
everyone else... you guys are trying to compare way to many things here with way to many variables without experience...
most of these boats people are naming are all great boats in rough water.... my point is unless you have the balls to buy one and run it in rough water then you just dont know what you are talking about... with that being said i don't know any of you and don't know your experience . Unless you know whose posts you are reading, you might not want to assume that they don't know more than you do. T2x |
I think the 50' Mystic would be a contender for sure. I know a 46' Skater handles the rough quite well and the Mystic will stroll right past a 46.
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Originally Posted by Viperfitness1
(Post 2651598)
I THINK.... we should limit threads like this for people who own or have owned one of the boats they talk about. that way we dont have all these "computer powerboating cowboys" chiming in on something they have no idea about... can anyone guess which boat im rooting for?????
starts with and A..... |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2651809)
Let me put this out to you......since I don't know you either.
Unless you know whose posts you are reading, you might not want to assume that they don't know more than you do. T2x stop being so insecure... im sure you have driven some big boats buddy... :grinser010: but if i wanted to insult you i would have singled you out out done it. i dont beat around the bush |
Originally Posted by Viperfitness1
(Post 2651821)
listen up sparky!!! i wasn't referring to you.... if anything i would have agreed with you. it just seems these threads get so.... "my dad can beat your dad up" crap that its even worth reading. i was wanting to hear some story's from drivers that have driven the boats to compare them to.
stop being so insecure... im sure you have driven some big boats buddy... :grinser010: but if i wanted to insult you i would have singled you out out done it. i dont beat around the bush This thread was on point regarding rough water hulls and some very good points were made. It obviously needs to be broken down into cats and vees, pleasure boats and race hulls. Now if you want experience to be a key for replying, let's limit it to people with 20 years or more. Eh..."Sparky"? T2x |
Originally Posted by ChiefApache89
(Post 2651794)
Let me ask you this, just for my own info.
What is the biggest water you personally have had your Apache in since owning it? Just curious. got into some really bad stuff on the fourth when a storm and a bunch of fleeing cruisers made some 6'ers. it was funny cause the lake patrol even followed us and came to the boat after because the had never seen a boat hit those kind of wave and keep going...they just knew we were going to lose it at any point. we tried to get them to video tape us but they said they couldnt. the problem with these lakes is you only get a mile or two of bad conditions before you have to shut it down and start over. how about you what did you guys get into this year |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2651842)
This thread was on point regarding rough water hulls and some very good points were made.
It obviously needs to be broken down into cats and vees, pleasure boats and race hulls. Now if you want experience to be a key for replying, let's limit it to people with 20 years or more. Eh..."Sparky"? T2x what points were made! all there were is a bunch of people rattling off names of big boats, hell half the posts were jokes being made! i wanted to see if people would come up with experiences they had to compare to. stop trying to argue online and tell us what makes you come up with your conclusions. damn son! |
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Depends on how big the water!
Go fast boats its the Donzi ZR with flexi drives. Check out the OSG Donzi at the Donzi Homepage. :drink:
http://www.donzimarine.com Also for just plain crazy big water its the Interceptor 42 :eek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dctb7onfpYE |
Originally Posted by KiloKat
(Post 2651812)
I think the 50' Mystic would be a contender for sure. I know a 46' Skater handles the rough quite well and the Mystic will stroll right past a 46.
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Originally Posted by Viperfitness1
(Post 2651868)
you are missing the point my young friend... are you reading my post or are you like my ex wife and just hearing what you want to hear???
what points were made! all there were is a bunch of people rattling off names of big boats, hell half the posts were jokes being made! i wanted to see if people would come up with experiences they had to compare to. stop trying to argue online and tell us what makes you come up with your conclusions. damn son! When we were out with LEOPAJM we were in 6-8's and it was whipping. |
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check out where it says tidel wave hits quen marie, there is a chriscraft stinger in thatone. Thats a ruff water boat.
Kind of like mine. LOL |
Originally Posted by ChiefApache89
(Post 2651888)
We came back a few weeks ago leaving in 3 to 5's and in 5 to 6's with a few 7's when we got closer to home. Very intense. We had that going there and coming back.
When we were out with LEOPAJM we were in 6-8's and it was whipping. |
Originally Posted by Viperfitness1
(Post 2651852)
well... i got see some pretty nasty stuff this year. went to texoma every chance i got, i even have a service to watch the wind conditions and alert me when they forcasted anything over a steady 25.. with he right winds and wind direction its not uncommon to see steady 4-5 footers on most of the lake.
got into some really bad stuff on the fourth when a storm and a bunch of fleeing cruisers made some 6'ers. it was funny cause the lake patrol even followed us and came to the boat after because the had never seen a boat hit those kind of wave and keep going...they just knew we were going to lose it at any point. we tried to get them to video tape us but they said they couldnt. the problem with these lakes is you only get a mile or two of bad conditions before you have to shut it down and start over. how about you what did you guys get into this year :circle::party-smiley-020::party-smiley-048: BTW Are you related to Jim Dar? |
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Originally Posted by Viperfitness1
(Post 2651681)
jassman.. that was funny
everyone else... you guys are trying to compare way to many things here with way to many variables without experience... most of these boats people are naming are all great boats in rough water.... my point is unless you have the balls to buy one and run it in rough water then you just dont know what you are talking about... with that being said i don't know any of you and don't know your experience so im not singling anyone out, i would just like to hear how you come to the conclusion that one boat is better than the other. My experience in order over the last 20 years have been a 24 Formula, 27 Fountain, 34 PowerQuest, 38 TopGun Single Step, 42 Sonic, 37 A.T. and the last 3 have been 43 Nor-Techs. The Nor-Techs by far from what Ive owned ride extremely well. They are heavy, and well built. I found this out coming back from KW in Nov 07, 4 footers coming out of the harbor with occasional 5-7's.and a few 8' holes going through and past Miami to Ft. Lauderdale....It was nasty..but Sandy and I had the time of our life on that ride back home. The boat handled it way better than I expected. This weekend I was in 2-3's at 85mph, the boat does not get unsettled, lands straight, and relatively soft. The more I drive this boat the more I like it. The only other boat that I would consider buying in the 42-46' range would be OL. I just dont care for the difference in ride when coming off a wave, other than that.OL has my vote as well. Is Nor-Tech the best ruff water V-boat out there..NO...are their better ones...PROBABLY...do I care....NO...It does what's it's suppose to and keeps us extremely comfortable for what we use the boat for. :cool: |
Best rough water V hull
I would love to have ridden on the 63' MAGNUM that Ted Theodoli ran in the SEARACE. I have the MAGNUM movie showing it running over 86 MPH. WAVE CRUSHER....YES !!! HIGH LIFE
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Originally Posted by Viperfitness1
(Post 2651852)
well... i got see some pretty nasty stuff this year. went to texoma every chance i got, i even have a service to watch the wind conditions and alert me when they forcasted anything over a steady 25.. with he right winds and wind direction its not uncommon to see steady 4-5 footers on most of the lake.
I test drove my 28 Pantera in 6-8's. Needless to say I bought it afterwards. |
Originally Posted by Viperfitness1
(Post 2651868)
you are missing the point my young friend... are you reading my post or are you like my ex wife and just hearing what you want to hear???
what points were made! all there were is a bunch of people rattling off names of big boats, hell half the posts were jokes being made! i wanted to see if people would come up with experiences they had to compare to. stop trying to argue online and tell us what makes you come up with your conclusions. damn son! |
Originally Posted by Jassman
(Post 2652015)
My experience in order over the last 20 years have been a 24 Formula, 27 Fountain, 34 PowerQuest, 38 TopGun Single Step, 42 Sonic, 37 A.T. and the last 3 have been 43 Nor-Techs. The Nor-Techs by far from what Ive owned ride extremely well. They are heavy, and well built. I found this out coming back from KW in Nov 07, 4 footers coming out of the harbor with occasional 5-7's.and a few 8' holes going through and past Miami to Ft. Lauderdale....It was nasty..but Sandy and I had the time of our life on that ride back home. The boat handled it way better than I expected. This weekend I was in 2-3's at 85mph, the boat does not get unsettled, lands straight, and relatively soft. The more I drive this boat the more I like it. The only other boat that I would consider buying in the 42-46' range would be OL. I just dont care for the difference in ride when coming off a wave, other than that.OL has my vote as well.
Is Nor-Tech the best ruff water V-boat out there..NO...are their better ones...PROBABLY...do I care....NO...It does what's it's suppose to and keeps us extremely comfortable for what we use the boat for. :cool: |
Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me
(Post 2652452)
Obviously you have no idea who T2x is. Do a little research. The man does not have to justify to you his expertise in this arena.
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Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me
(Post 2652454)
Mentalpause wanted to sink the F-4 after riding in Blue Bayou. :party-smiley-004: :drink:
two similiar, but different types of boats... next time you better come down...we had a great time, food was great, and the boat has been running awesome..62 hours on her to date..:ernaehrung004: |
Originally Posted by Jassman
(Post 2652508)
two similiar, but different types of boats...
next time you better come down...we had a great time, food was great, and the boat has been running awesome..62 hours on her to date..:ernaehrung004: |
Originally Posted by GLH
(Post 2650774)
You might have a point there.
I was just looking at this today... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpj_NYNDKgs |
Originally Posted by Comanche3Six
(Post 2651006)
47 Apache......sorry have no rough water pics
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The best rough water boat is any boat that IS NOT being driven by THE WIZARD :evilb::evilb: :p:p
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Originally Posted by DaveP
(Post 2652553)
The best rough water boat is any boat that IS NOT being driven by THE WIZARD :evilb::evilb: :p:p
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Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me
(Post 2652452)
Obviously you have no idea who T2x is. Do a little research. The man does not have to justify to you his expertise in this arena.
He also call's me "son" and I know he ain't my father...... although I got married in Oklahoma once......(Durant to be exact).......... Maybe it's the other way around....he certainly shares my winning personality......HMMMMMM...let me think about about Oklahoma girls in the 70's...... I'll check with Brownie and get back to ya.........:p T2x |
Originally Posted by rlj676
(Post 2652488)
I'd suggest watching that famous clip on here of Saccenti in that 41 Apache laying a beatdown on some ROUGH water, and then finding out who the commentator on that clip was. If I'm correct, that would be a good start on this "research".:drink:
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Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2652660)
Personally, whenever I watch that amazing footage...... I turn the sound off......;)
T2x But that's only because my work computer has no sound, and that video is a great way to spend the work day.:ernaehrung004: |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2652660)
Personally, whenever I watch that amazing footage...... I turn the sound off......;)
T2x |
Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me
(Post 2652452)
Obviously you have no idea who T2x is. Do a little research. The man does not have to justify to you his expertise in this arena.
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2652651)
Anybody who calls me "my young friend" can't be all bad...... but he must be either damn old...or some kind of politician.............
He also call's me "son" and I know he ain't my father...... although I got married in Oklahoma once......(Durant to be exact).......... Maybe it's the other way around....he certainly shares my winning personality......HMMMMMM...let me think btrabout about Oklahoma girls in the 70's...... I'll check with Brownie and get back to ya.........:p T2x btw i was making a dig a "daredevil" and trying to have some fun at his expense... im sry you thought i was degrading you! so with all that out of the way.. t2x whats is your favorite rough water ride? |
Originally Posted by Viperfitness1
(Post 2651852)
well... i got see some pretty nasty stuff this year. went to texoma every chance i got, i even have a service to watch the wind conditions and alert me when they forcasted anything over a steady 25.. with he right winds and wind direction its not uncommon to see steady 4-5 footers on most of the lake.
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Originally Posted by Viperfitness1
(Post 2652751)
well thats cool as hell if you are the commentator on that vid, but i dont see how you think i was calling you out or insulting you by what i said in my post. if anything it was a perfect opportunity to teach some of us people "new?" to the sport a little of you expertise. hell you were even talking apaches up!! do you think i would insult someone who has some of my own great taste??? i dont think so my youthful comrade!!! i guess i should spend a little less time working and a little more time getting to know all the screen names on OSO?? according to your friends lol
btw i was making a dig a "daredevil" and trying to have some fun at his expense... im sry you thought i was degrading you! so with all that out of the way.. t2x whats is your favorite rough water ride? My favorite rough water ride...for racing? Based on great performances.... Cat-40 Skater Vee-41 Apache.......or the Apache Heritage (which was the only big Apache that ever impressed me.) Of course this is a "pound for pound" thing and the big Buzzi will blow them both away, but it is so huge that I don't think it's a fair comparison. T2x |
Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater
(Post 2652765)
I was there for those conditions, unlike somebody else I know :rolleyes:......sustained 25mph winds 40mph gust. The 28 ate it up so I know the 41 would have swallowed it whole, we had 4 go-fast newbies on board.........they wanted to go faster. In the back of my head I was going threw the T2X commentary..........eaten up the reef. I launched and looked down and about chit my pants.
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