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I have to believe the one on the right would do a pretty good job. (looking at the picture right:rolleyes:)
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Originally Posted by Viperfitness1
(Post 2652780)
the lake patrols reactions after they pulled us over were priceless!! all their eyes were wide open and they were so surprised to see someone hitting those condtions at that speed. im not going to lie at one point i evn got a little nervous cause the boat was launching way more than i expected it to... i shoulda had t2x on my ipod so i could have been even more inspired... hows the boat andy?
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Originally Posted by KiloKat
(Post 2651812)
I think the 50' Mystic would be a contender for sure. I know a 46' Skater handles the rough quite well and the Mystic will stroll right past a 46.
You beat me to it!:D Not to mention the Mystic SL70 running 80 MPH+ in BIG Water. Or the Callan C62 running 95MPH plus in big water also. John Cosker/Mystic powerboats don't build small boats as you well know. The M5000 is the smallest boat they offer.:ernaehrung004: BTW it's great to see your new crew running so well this year. Mike and Johnny have gobs of talent, and years of expereince. I know what JT thinks of the Mystic, but what does Mike think now that he's got some seat time in the Bud Light Mystic? Have a great and safe season. Dean |
I've had a 311 Formula, 28 Cigarette, a straight bottom 38 Top Gun, and a Twin Step 38 Top Gun.
My current boat, a 368 Skater, will destroy any of them in any water conditions. |
Originally Posted by BLee
(Post 2652855)
I've had a 311 Formula, 28 Cigarette, a straight bottom 38 Top Gun, and a Twin Step 38 Top Gun.
My current boat, a 368 Skater, will destroy any of them in any water conditions. sorry dude, couldn't resist......:drink: |
Originally Posted by The Wizard
(Post 2652891)
yeah, but what if you were driving your cat? :evilb::evilb:
sorry dude, couldn't resist......:drink: LOL, totally lost me there Oz! :party-smiley-004: |
Originally Posted by BLee
(Post 2652892)
LOL, totally lost me there Oz! :party-smiley-004:
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T2x,
Question about the classic Apache video.. The 41 ''Warpath'' in the first part of the video was running beautifully through that rough water, perfectly balanced with a beautiful attitude, and the second 41 ''Apache'' in the video seemed flighty and was not flying nearly as level (even before it hit that big roller toward the end and went skyward). Why was that? Did they just have ''Apache" trimmed way out for speed that particular day, or was the ''Apache'' 41 set-up/balanced differently than the ''Warpath'' 41? Was ''Apache'' built to achieve higher speeds in calm water races? TIA |
Originally Posted by BLee
(Post 2652855)
I've had a 311 Formula, 28 Cigarette, a straight bottom 38 Top Gun, and a Twin Step 38 Top Gun.
My current boat, a 368 Skater, will destroy any of them in any water conditions. |
Originally Posted by rj45
(Post 2653037)
T2x,
Question about the classic Apache video.. The 41 ''Warpath'' in the first part of the video was running beautifully through that rough water, perfectly balanced with a beautiful attitude, and the second 41 ''Apache'' in the video seemed flighty and was not flying nearly as level (even before it hit that big roller toward the end and went skyward). Why was that? Did they just have ''Apache" trimmed way out for speed that particular day, or was the ''Apache'' 41 set-up/balanced differently than the ''Warpath'' 41? Was ''Apache'' built for more speed in flat water races? TIA Actually "Warpath" was running in bigger water off Point Pleasant than "Apache" in Key West. However anyone who has raced down there will tell you that the old Eastbound straightaway off the reef (go south to Sand Key and make a left)...... is among the most treacherous and uneven water in racing history. It is not overall rough enough to slow the fleet significantly, but every now and then there are abrupt and brutal "holes" that come up seemingly from nowhere, and that is what "bit" Kramer and Saccenti. After 4 fatalities in three accidents over a 4 year span, that leg (approximately 8-10 miles offshore running parallel to the reef) was permanently abandoned...and the current Key West course is little more than a harbor cruise within sight of the Pier House as a result. If the question is hull or conditions...in that case, I'm betting on conditions. Of course Bobby Saccenti may have a better perspective. Hope that answers your question. T2x |
Originally Posted by DollaBill
(Post 2653044)
No chit B? (ret ?). I have to get out in that 368 because I believe you bro but it's hard to imagine a 36 cat outrunning a 38 TSG in bad water. huh.
We would have most certainly wrecked if we tried to do what would have been their top speeds in that water. I had Bubba, Joe Pandak, and two chicks in the boat. :drink: There were other big power Gun's there, as well as RR's, 42 &47+ OL's, The Chief boat, etc. The difference in the 10.8 beam vs. 8-8.5 alone, is dramatic the rougher it gets. I think the tunnel extention on my boat helps a lot too. :ernaehrung004: |
Somebody oughta start weather related "OH Chit" moment thread :P
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Anybody been fishing?
How many of ya'all have made the Alcapuco to Honolulu run for the fishing tournament?:drink:
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This one does pretty well in the rough!:drink::eek::drink:
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Originally Posted by ChiefApache89
(Post 2651703)
You know it Viper! We are just learning this ourselves. Anyone have any idea what it's like to own a 31' boat and then jump up to a 41' Apache and run it in rough water? We were lucky to do 2800 RPM in rough water with our Stinger.
We're forced to do at least 70+MPH in rough water so we're not getting the crap beat out of us or the boat. That's instense when you're not use to driving/riding in rough water. I can't wait until the day Rob can stick the throttles forward and keep them there (throttling of course when needed---there's a whole other thread you can start and discuss because not everyone can throttle well), and look forward when the two of us have more fun with our ride instead of the intentisy we are experiencing today, and rightfully so. Rob has a lot to learn in how to drive the our 41 in rough water, and he's not going to do that in one season. It depends on the waves and then there's dealing with Lake Erie. :angry-smiley-038: Ask Bobby Saccenti what he thinks of driving on Lake Erie. It ain't pretty! I can't wait to see what he does next season after having a full season under his belt. What he's learned just this season is amazing. How well a boat does in rough water will depend on the driver. Skramer can kick a$$ in rough water in his 35 Cafe. LEOPAJM gave us a ride in his 41 Saber a month ago in 6+ footers. Talk about intense, but exhiliarting. I wasn't sure if I wanted to laugh or cry at times. He's awesome at driving and that Saber is unbelieveable in rough water! It was a ride I will never forget! Again, both guys know how to drive a boat in rough water. If you don't it takes balls to get out in the rough stuff, put the throttles forward when your legs feel like jell-o and your hearts racing a million miles an hour. In the end and once you learn how to drive, it will be worth all the shaky legs and heart racing. The 41's work pretty good in the **** ... I'm usually just along for the ride . The Chief looked and sounded great the other nite btw Barbara ! :ernaehrung004: |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2653071)
Different boats....and different water.
Actually "Warpath" was running in bigger water off Point Pleasant than "Apache" in Key West. However anyone who has raced down there will tell you that the old Eastbound straightaway off the reef (go south to Sand Key and make a left)...... is among the most treacherous and uneven water in racing history. It is not overall rough enough to slow the fleet significantly, but every now and then there are abrupt and brutal "holes" that come up seemingly from nowhere, and that is what "bit" Kramer and Saccenti. After 4 fatalities in three accidents over a 4 year span, that leg (approximately 8-10 miles offshore running parallel to the reef) was permanently abandoned...and the current Key West course is little more than a harbor cruise within sight of the Pier House as a result. If the question is hull or conditions...in that case, I'm betting on conditions. Of course Bobby Saccenti may have a better perspective. Hope that answers your question. T2x http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pDV7vHF2G4 |
Originally Posted by DollaBill
(Post 2653044)
No chit B? (ret ?). I have to get out in that 368 because I believe you bro but it's hard to imagine a 36 cat outrunning a 38 TSG in bad water. huh.
Now remember, alot has to do with the driver and throttleman... and of course for some it's not that important to be up front.... the 368 Skater sure is the puuurrrrfect cat... :drink:zzie |
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Originally Posted by GLH
(Post 2650774)
You might have a point there.
I was just looking at this today... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpj_NYNDKgs |
Originally Posted by ApachePete
(Post 2653570)
This is the leg referenced. An ol' 41 dusting off a couple of fast cats in the worlds in Key West in 1990.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pDV7vHF2G4 Thank you sir. Absolutely awesome:drink: |
Those vids were awesome,.41 Apache the baddest MF'er of all time.
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Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater
(Post 2653818)
Those vids were awesome,.41 Apache the baddest MF'er of all time.
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Thanks
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now...to be fair and honest, I have driven a boat with a couple thousand hp sticks all the way foreward in honest 12 footers and didnt come close to spilling my coffee................ of course when its a nuclear submarine and you a few hundred feet below those 12 footers (does that count as a stuff??) you really dont even feel like your even moving....
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Originally Posted by ApachePete
(Post 2653570)
This is the leg referenced. An ol' 41 dusting off a couple of fast cats in the worlds in Key West in 1990.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pDV7vHF2G4 |
I agree the Apache is the best in rough water, but what boat that you have raced is the worst in the rough stuff? For me, it was the 24' Skater. I became a U boat captain on Lake Michigan. The boat was really fast, but too easy to stuff. Second was my 21' Superboat. I loved racing that boat, but it was a handful in rough water.
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Originally Posted by ChiefApache89
(Post 2651703)
You know it Viper! We are just learning this ourselves. Anyone have any idea what it's like to own a 31' boat and then jump up to a 41' Apache and run it in rough water? We were lucky to do 2800 RPM in rough water with our Stinger.
We're forced to do at least 70+MPH in rough water so we're not getting the crap beat out of us or the boat. That's instense when you're not use to driving/riding in rough water. I can't wait until the day Rob can stick the throttles forward and keep them there (throttling of course when needed---there's a whole other thread you can start and discuss because not everyone can throttle well), and look forward when the two of us have more fun with our ride instead of the intentisy we are experiencing today, and rightfully so. Rob has a lot to learn in how to drive the our 41 in rough water, and he's not going to do that in one season. It depends on the waves and then there's dealing with Lake Erie. :angry-smiley-038: Ask Bobby Saccenti what he thinks of driving on Lake Erie. It ain't pretty! I can't wait to see what he does next season after having a full season under his belt. What he's learned just this season is amazing. How well a boat does in rough water will depend on the driver. Skramer can kick a$$ in rough water in his 35 Cafe. LEOPAJM gave us a ride in his 41 Saber a month ago in 6+ footers. Talk about intense, but exhiliarting. I wasn't sure if I wanted to laugh or cry at times. He's awesome at driving and that Saber is unbelieveable in rough water! It was a ride I will never forget! Again, both guys know how to drive a boat in rough water. If you don't it takes balls to get out in the rough stuff, put the throttles forward when your legs feel like jell-o and your hearts racing a million miles an hour. In the end and once you learn how to drive, it will be worth all the shaky legs and heart racing. |
Originally Posted by ApachePete
(Post 2653582)
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Originally Posted by Keytime
(Post 2653764)
How much hp were Warpath and Apache laying down in these vids? I love watching those. :D
I don't know how much was in Allez Vite..... Pete? T2x |
Originally Posted by smokeybandit
(Post 2654207)
I agree the Apache is the best in rough water, but what boat that you have raced is the worst in the rough stuff? For me, it was the 24' Skater. I became a U boat captain on Lake Michigan. The boat was really fast, but too easy to stuff. Second was my 21' Superboat. I loved racing that boat, but it was a handful in rough water.
It's a question of best handling for a specific size. I remember when Fabio Buzzi brought a bunch of his 24 foot cats over to Key West for the World's in '83 or so....They looked great in the harbor, but I think every one of them flipped at the Sand Key turn. T2x |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2654453)
Probably not a fair statement since no 24' cat is better than a 24 Skater in rough water...and no 21' vee is better in the rough stuff than a Challenger/Shadow from which the 21 Superboat was taken.
It's a question of best handling for a specific size. I remember when Fabio Buzzi brought a bunch of his 24 foot cats over to Key West for the World's in '83 or so....They looked great in the harbor, but I think every one of them flipped at the Sand Key turn. T2x I was just watching a video of a Barnegat race in the 21' Superboat, and you were commenting how fast we were going. Then a much bigger cat came flying by us out of nowhere. They looked like they were out for a Sunday drive, and we were hanging on for dear life. They really need to bring back "A" class. It wasn't the fastest, but it was economical and fun. Ahhhhhh, memories. |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2654447)
Warpath and Apache.....were running about 750 HP/engine back in the day.
T2x That's what I thought was funny in Ben's interview about the boat. They claim it runs 120........at 3:26 on this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_6vdTEChas |
Originally Posted by BLee
(Post 2654501)
That's what I thought was funny in Ben's interview about the boat. They claim it runs 120........at 3:26 on this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_6vdTEChas
T2x |
Originally Posted by Keytime
(Post 2653764)
How much hp were Warpath and Apache laying down in these vids? I love watching those. :D
I am amazed that they were able to keep the motors together as it seemed like they spent as much time movin air as they did moving water:D |
Textron Marine 47 Motor Life Boat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMxZS...eature=related
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Originally Posted by CAP071
(Post 2654933)
Textron Marine 47 Motor Life Boat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMxZS...eature=related
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Originally Posted by Viperfitness1
(Post 2651702)
my canoe is amazing in rough water!
talking with mr. mcmanus today, i think im going to send it to him for the #6 conversion... just hate losing it for the rest of the year |
Originally Posted by KAAMA
(Post 2655025)
I like the "face lift" you did to your boat---don't even recognize it anymore accept for those cool looking seats. I remember stopping by Wesseldyk's shop during the winter of 06/07 while the engines were being built for the Apache you now own. Sounds like they're running well for you. :D
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Originally Posted by Viperfitness1
(Post 2651821)
listen up sparky!!!
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Originally Posted by bob
(Post 2654849)
I am amazed that they were able to keep the motors together as it seemed like they spent as much time movin air as they did moving water:D
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