Originally Posted by Old World Champ (Post 2673295)

True UIM World Championship 1987 Key West 32 Skater triple outboards. That was the best one against the best competitor. There were a few others also and one missed by 3-4 points out of 1200+ - Picture of boat was on the ABPA magazine and the great competitor coming out of Key West harbor . I have been playing with road race car since I stopped, but there is nothing like offshore. I hear it is not the same as it was years ago.

:party-smiley-004:

The rougher the better. The harder the turn the better, a dime is a big turn. I am getting sucked in here that is why I never posted I miss it to much.

Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 2677495)

1 to 2 ft chop is small water, an Apache would never catch Gino in that. 6 ft plus is where they do what they do.
They still look good in it though!
http://media.putfile.com/Sacred-Ground-68

Originally Posted by Nauti Kitty (Post 2677510)

One, I was kidding him about his examples.
Two Some azzhole named Mike Vorce f*cked up ever getting a 47 Saber to run against Ruthless but thats another story. I still believe what I said and I watched Kemosabe get to Beaver Island way ahead of everyone else in some rough water this summer in Boyne Thunder but racing has clearly proved over the years that cats are tough to beat. NK

Originally Posted by Voodoocanoe (Post 2677567)

Kemosabe is "Lord of the waves":party-smiley-004:

Originally Posted by Old World Champ (Post 2671339)

Well the best boats in rough water per foot is an easy pick. I also bet my life on it many times. Most races today are calm and inshore roundy rounds where you don't even need a GPS. Correct me if I am wrong please. You just need not get dizzy. Turns are good if you can turn hard just this side of a hook.

It is a Skater by a long shot. :evilb: I have seen plenty of rough water in one and seen them also go passed me when bigger. I have been in Skaters, thrown out of Skaters. gunnel rides in Skaters and been 6' feet under water in one for 150 feet until it broke the surface. I have also been airborne like a plane 20 feet in the air, looked straight toward the sky from them at 90*, turned them on a dime, and also most hit a helicopter with one. I just can't remember if R.L. was in the chopper. Hello R.L.:cheer:

I really don't think many here have really pushed a boat in rough water. I only regret I have no videos from inside boat to share.

I also know I should never have looked at this site as race boats make my blood boil. There is nothing like offshore racing. I joined a while back but have stayed off here until the accident I witnessed last week. I was searching for info on the tragedy which has happen to often before.

It is just an addiction worse than drugs. I have moved to play with cars but there is no equal. The rougher the race the better. I'd rather be in a 6' race at 70-80 mph than a calm flat race at 140.


So if it's not a Skater it's just, well.....

:hitfan:


flame suit on :ernaehrung004:

Originally Posted by Yamaha 225 (Post 2677464)

Of all the boats that compeeted in P1 i Europe, the Fountain outran everything, and the seas were sometimes rougher than what I have seen in Key West when I was there.

I vote for Fountain. I have not heared about Fountains that fell apart to this day...

Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 2677611)

I hope T2x doesn't read that!
LOL!

Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 2660116)

I can't speak for all the Apache people as to why they did not enter that race.

But my guess would be they knew it would not be a true rough water race, as that is the time of the year when those waters are calm.

But, if that makes you feel they are afraid of the cats in rough Open Ocean conditions.... Ok.

Originally Posted by BLee (Post 2678456)

LOL, nice. I'm SOOO glad no one actually tried to use that "excuse" for not showing up at the race with an Apache. "I'm not going because it's not going to be a TRUE rough water race". LOL, that's just absurd.

I am not the one who suggested or said ANYONE was scared of anything, Apache or not. That was someone elses comment that you pinned on me. It was a great venue to see how the "talk" matched up with the "walk". I guess if it's not a Category 5 hurricane, it's not a "true rough water venue" worthy of an Apache to attend? I'm just curious, but are you really being serious with that assumption?

There are PLENTY of big Apaches and deep vee's with owners that can easily afford to have ran the race. It wasn't anymore expensive than a big poker run that we see Apache's attend all the time. Any Apache that would have had any chance at all (Kemo, Geronimo, etc), has an owner with the means to run this race. I can fully understand the logistics and personal schedule may have not lined up, but the water not being rough enough is hysterical.

Originally Posted by T2x (Post 2678382)

Me too!

Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 2678563)

Brandon
If you have something to prove in rough water against the best Apache (Nykamp says that would be Kemosabe) then have at it. If you don't then the hell with it.
If you want to know why a particular Apache did not attend, then ask the owner.
Ed

Originally Posted by KiloKat (Post 2678708)

Hell, let's all just meet in IKE in KW and we'll have an answer to the post!:ernaehrung004:

Originally Posted by KiloKat (Post 2678708)

Hell, let's all just meet in IKE in KW and we'll have an answer to the post!:ernaehrung004:

Originally Posted by KNOT-RIGHT (Post 2678713)

No fair you have JT:drink:

Originally Posted by BLee (Post 2678456)

LOL, nice. I'm SOOO glad no one actually tried to use that "excuse" for not showing up at the race with an Apache. "

Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2678833)

Maybe no one wanted to bring a ben kramer boat to a Don Aronow Memorial Race.

Originally Posted by jeff1000man (Post 2678894)

I am going to go with whatever ship called in the report of the 50' swell when Gustav was in the gulf. Now that ship can eat some water.

Originally Posted by Nauti Kitty (Post 2679378)

Really what's better at eating waves? A 50 foot wave to an 800 foot ship or a 3 footer to my sweet 16? NK

Originally Posted by fund razor (Post 2677436)

Knowing the water that you boat in, I would call that a safety purchase! All "roughs" were not created equal. ;)
Swells... wouldn't they be nice. Instead you get ever changing close steep sets. And you have the washing machine around the Islands sometimes.

Originally Posted by Nauti Kitty (Post 2677510)

One, I was kidding him about his examples.
Two Some azzhole named Mike Vorce f*cked up ever getting a 47 Saber to run against Ruthless but thats another story. I still believe what I said and I watched Kemosabe get to Beaver Island way ahead of everyone else in some rough water this summer in Boyne Thunder but racing has clearly proved over the years that cats are tough to beat. NK

Originally Posted by Red Rag (Post 2680652)

Based upon personal experience in a variety of Apaches, Cigarettes, Magnums and Fountains, in around 6ft seas, I would rate the boats as follows:

1st: Apache 47
2nd: Apache 41
3rd: Cigarette 39 Unlimited

In seas under 6ft there is a lot less to choose between these three which stand above the rest.

Originally Posted by BLee (Post 2685830)

I wish Little Caesars was still around, or that there were more good pictures of it at least.

Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 2679872)

Parnell
I hope that 47' Saber can still be accomplished.
Ed
A little Saber video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6CcRZ37vNs

Originally Posted by Nauti Kitty (Post 2688087)

Me too! I wouldn't hold my breath, at this point, for too long
Nice vid! Rougher than it looked and Jerry's arm was swinging!
NK

Originally Posted by BLee (Post 2688108)

y, yes! ..........built a serious, power///boat! Un, believable! Apache, cann,ot, be stopped!, !, !

See, you in Key, West!!!!, !!

:ernaehrung004:,,,:drink:

Originally Posted by thisistank (Post 2687025)

From what I've heard, little Ceasars is still around (kinda). Sitting in a warehouse with no drives/engine and for sale. Don't think it's painted as little ceasars anymore though.

Originally Posted by Powerplay25 (Post 2734838)

The 41' Apache. There's nothing like it in rough water!

Originally Posted by NEVERSATISFIED (Post 2694706)

How does the Skater 399V compare to other 38-40 ft. V-bottoms in big water?