$$$$$$$$$$$$$ had everything to do with us not making that run.

We own an Apache....doesn't make us rich by any stretch of the means.

What it means is that we own a boat that's great in rough water......it means we spend more money to try and keep up on the maintenance so we're not hit with a big ticket dollar amount in repairs (which will happen at some point) because she does have big HP.

We don't have to prove anything to anyone about how well our 41 Apache performs. We experience it, live it and love it.

We didn't buy the boat so that we could go out in big water and prove anything. We bought the boat because I was afraid in our 31 when we got into water over 3 feet. I told my husband to please buy us a boat that when we did get into big water (and yes, sometimes it's because we do go out to run in big water, but if it is rough when we're on a trip we know we can get back), we would get back safely without beating the hell out of us and our boat.

That's what we got when we purchased our old Apache. And we'd do it all over again in a heartbeat! :party-smiley-004:

I like the way that you're thinkin!!! :drink:

I've got an old wave crusher with #6's and a newer style paint job and '02 hatch. When we pull up to a raftup or bar/restaurant, 99% of the people could give two chits (or even know) if it's a twin step. They have no clue that it's a 1988 model.......and the phucking sailboaters just know that it's loud and they hate it!!

The best part of it all.......it's paid for!

:ernaehrung004::evilb::ernaehrung004::evilb:

....and as for my opinion on what the best (offshore go-fast) rough water boat is .....drum roll........



Apache!!!!! The undisputed champ of all time :cool::drink:

Yea, Sparky,, LOL
 

LOL How amazing is that,,????

There is some old footage of the 45 RDS running in calm water and the Cat can't shake him off! Fun to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdzJDnEx5AI

I agree with smokeybandit. I took a ride with Phil Lip-Ship out Goverment Cut around 1995 in a Top Gun my Uncle bought from him. I've never seen waves that big before or since, had to be legit 9-10's and he ran a '92 TG to the pins all the way to Port Everglades. The boat never missed a beat, we never took a hard hit and not a drop of water on the deck or us. Trully an amazing ride....I credit Phil.

One of my few favorites. Having the #6 setup and modern updates makes the boat!

Damnit!! You used up all the smilies!!

And that's that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dk5i...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAeUq...eature=related

95 Top Gun....YEEEEEEEEEES, I agree:grinser010::drink::drink::drink:

When you talk about rough water boats the first that come to mind always are Apache and Cig. say all you want other boat brands but it's just a fact that those two boats are known for rough water ride. Its not just how they ride but the fact they can take a beating and come back in one piece..And then go back out and do it again over, and over, and over....

And the cigs...

You guys are so funny.

Just wait till the AT 43 shows up!

Eliminator also has their new 43 based on a proven Larry Smith hull that looks like a big time runner.... :ernaehrung004:

It´s true everytime someone mentions rough water the names Cigarette and Apache comes up...but...

Who Forgot Larry Smith and Betty Cook ?

Larry was years ahead of both of them regarding boat lamination and construction.
Proof is that the LS Scarabs were a lot lighter and just as sturdy compared to the Aronows resin buckets.
Guess it had to do with the fact that Larry had assets to those materials and info Dennis Conner had too.
So my vote has to go to a LS 46....regarding racing pedigree it would be a LS 38.

IMO -vote goes to: ...:rolleyes:

But what do I know anyway...

Listen to these Lambo's...........Sounds like a Stihl chainsaw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwxor...eature=related

The 36' Baja hull was designed by Force 10 Marine in St. Petersburg FL and sold to Baja. We have 2 '36 Force 10s in our area.. Good rough water boat... But not a Cig..

I don't think there can be a true "BEST" winner. To many variables, speed, power, age. etc. It appears we all have our own preferences and experiences. We all owe one type of boat or another for our own reason. Like Barb. (ChiefApache89) said.
If it flows... I like it. Just this weekend in the Sarasoata run we had Cigs. Bajas, Donzis, Nortechs, a Formula, an older Corsa, Fountains a few cats, (and some others) First leg of the run was great everyone going balI's out for a while untill we hit some rain and near the bay inlet some sereious seas. (drivers were saying 6-8's,) In generall, and speciffically from this event.. two things are for sure. Size matters and driving skills.
There were boats/drivers that could not keep up.. or decided not to... smart and safe deceision by some. May be just not enough balls.. or not wanting to take risk, braking something or having some one hurt. All are good reasons. Some of the "bigger" boats were doing better in the big seas. The cats alway cought up once the waters were "flatter".
All I can say, that my Avanti surpassed my expectation. I bought it for my own reasons, (not that I couldn't get an Apache or Cig, Donzi. or whatever.) My lady handeld awsome. I jumped on it a bit when the chopper was filming. (I guess 5'-6's+, not sure.. lol.. to busy driving) Nice landings, skipping on top of the waves, cutting through some. I was pleased.
I do think there need to be a better classification on this overall "best rough boat thing"... but I put the 33 Avanti against any other 30'-35' with similar power.
But.... I think the Apaches and the Cigs. are probobly the "classiest" rough water boats of all times.
Every boat is a compromise... to a degree.. and I am sure we are all happy with our own.
I am. :boat:

the avanti doesn't just handle the big water it does it with good rigid performance my first time in one i was suprised how old this rig was and this guy is beating the snot out of it in 6 footers and there was no cracking around the wind screen area and in the normal areas that most do. I wouldn't take it away from cig never rode in one and apach. is a hell of a boat if you can find one. hey paradox did you sell the infinity

I still got the Infinity. Didn't have the chance to paint it. All sanded down and ready, just don't have anyone around here to do a good job at a reasonable price. So it's sits. As soon as I have it repainted it will go on the market.
The Avanti is a new hull with new motors. It got finished in May. 08. There is an 04 (?) Avanti in Ft Myers somewhere. It's red, good price. I got this 33' Avanti for the ride due to my back, and for being unique. Not many around but actually built really well. My back can't really handle rough landings. and I am pleased.
I did got screwed some $'s by the builder (The prev. owner of Avanti boats) but what the heII.. Ces't la vie..
It's not a Cig. OL, Nortech.. or an Apache, but not 1/2 Mill either. :)
Just love the 525's and the ITS/Sport Master drives.
Working to hit 90 and I think she has it in her.
So.. What is the best rough water boat for the best $ ???
:party-smiley-004:

Too true BLee, my freind, but none of them had 1050's and 6's either. No bravo boat should even be on this list NK

Well, I've been out in 8-10's on Lake Michigan in December on a certain Saber and had a BLAST!!! Snowmobile helmet not withstanding!! So that gets my vote!!

Well the best boats in rough water per foot is an easy pick. I also bet my life on it many times. Most races today are calm and inshore roundy rounds where you don't even need a GPS. Correct me if I am wrong please. You just need not get dizzy. Turns are good if you can turn hard just this side of a hook.

It is a Skater by a long shot. :evilb: I have seen plenty of rough water in one and seen them also go passed me when bigger. I have been in Skaters, thrown out of Skaters. gunnel rides in Skaters and been 6' feet under water in one for 150 feet until it broke the surface. I have also been airborne like a plane 20 feet in the air, looked straight toward the sky from them at 90*, turned them on a dime, and also most hit a helicopter with one. I just can't remember if R.L. was in the chopper. Hello R.L.:cheer:

I really don't think many here have really pushed a boat in rough water. I only regret I have no videos from inside boat to share.

I also know I should never have looked at this site as race boats make my blood boil. There is nothing like offshore racing. I joined a while back but have stayed off here until the accident I witnessed last week. I was searching for info on the tragedy which has happen to often before.

It is just an addiction worse than drugs. I have moved to play with cars but there is no equal. The rougher the race the better. I'd rather be in a 6' race at 70-80 mph than a calm flat race at 140.


So if it's not a Skater it's just, well.....

:hitfan:


flame suit on :ernaehrung004:

This should get interesting.:food-smiley-007:

:food-smiley-007:

how many cats out there are just pops and redo's of a Skater?

Dude, is this your best effort at showing how good skater is in big water? Nk

no how about some World Championships :ernaehrung004:

I have been in a lot of Skaters with a lot of people including my own.

Old World
 

Who are you?

Which Skater did you race.

Why is your Public Profile blank?

it cant be any other than a pantera or an apache

Here is your answer to a question I posted on which
is better in the rough Cat or Vee.
Out of all who answered your post pretty much summed it up.
You are Parnell right?



Well I see Ruthless is up on the block. How did the square offs
go?

KR

True UIM World Championship 1987 Key West 32 Skater triple outboards. That was the best one against the best competitor. There were a few others also and one missed by 3-4 points out of 1200+ - Picture of boat was on the ABPA magazine and the great competitor coming out of Key West harbor . I have been playing with road race car since I stopped, but there is nothing like offshore. I hear it is not the same as it was years ago.

:party-smiley-004:

The rougher the better. The harder the turn the better, a dime is a big turn. I am getting sucked in here that is why I never posted I miss it to much.

I'm not sure and I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I'm in West Michigan - Home of Skater. Friend's race Skaters, I'd get destroyed by one of them - rough water or not. :rolleyes:

Knowing the water that you boat in, I would call that a safety purchase! All "roughs" were not created equal. ;)
Swells... wouldn't they be nice. Instead you get ever changing close steep sets. And you have the washing machine around the Islands sometimes.

Of all the boats that compeeted in P1 i Europe, the Fountain outran everything, and the seas were sometimes rougher than what I have seen in Key West when I was there.

I vote for Fountain. I have not heared about Fountains that fell apart to this day...

I was there, I ran it and I won my class, the water was perfect for an old V with big power...1-2 ft chop to keep it aerated and I fully believe that a 41 or 47 with comparable power to gino would have given them a run for the money...I would have liked to see it, as I'm sure some of the old racers would have too...i know they would have, because we all talked about it sitting under the palm tree washing my boat....:)

1 to 2 ft chop is small water, an Apache would never catch Gino in that. 6 ft plus is where they do what they do.
They still look good in it though!
http://media.putfile.com/Sacred-Ground-68

One, I was kidding him about his examples.
Two Some azzhole named Mike Vorce f*cked up ever getting a 47 Saber to run against Ruthless but thats another story. I still believe what I said and I watched Kemosabe get to Beaver Island way ahead of everyone else in some rough water this summer in Boyne Thunder but racing has clearly proved over the years that cats are tough to beat. NK

I realize you were kidding. I stand behind your reply.
(Really you were the only one who set it straight)
I run a Turbine 46 in Ocean rollers and she is a handful.
Sometimes slowing down a little and running a big heavy
vee makes more sense.

Then again when she gets real ruff I will sit it out on a bar
stool:drink: