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Old 02-21-2009, 11:25 AM
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Actually, this sign should be placed on the dash of every boat.
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Old 02-21-2009, 12:05 PM
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they chopped the throttles, boat started to slid out in the asssss end, caught, high sided and tossed um. the characteristics of stepped bottomed boats are the same as my 911 and any other rear engined car...DO NOT DECELERATE IN A CORNER OR ELSE !! hadda learn to drive my 911 all over after having corvettes...with the 911 the harder ya accelerate the better it sticks...such a shame was definately a gorgeous baot HOPE ALL ARE OK
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Old 02-21-2009, 01:30 PM
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True fault resides with mother nature, if the water wasn't so flat the driver would have been paying closer attention to what he/she was doing...

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Old 02-21-2009, 01:55 PM
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Have you ever stoped to think that if you can't slow down while turning then its a huge safety problem and a design flaw. After all, should you have to turn to avoid another boat......and slow down........ your SOL. You couldn't pay me to put my family in that boat.
Straight bottom V's are not immune to failure when turning. A 32' Signature at a race in Barnegat Bay, NJ 30+ years ago barrel-rolled going into a turn at the north end of the course near Bayville, and it killed the driver. I was there, saw it in person. That was not a design defect accident.

Steps have their uniqueness, but all V's can bite ya if you don't know what your doing. I see you have a 28' Apache in your profile, ask Ike or R-Addiction about going fast in 28' Apache; their great boats but sh*t happens, it almost killed R-addiction at a NYC Poker run many years ago. And both Ike and and John (R'Addiction have experience/seat time), sh*t happens.

The more seat time the operator has the better off the operator will be. If there is a design defect, I have been avoiding this term on purpose, and if there is a a more feasible design to avoid this operating flaw, or better safety precautions could be implemented (cost effectiveness), then... I am not giving legal advice on this issue, I am a performance boater who does not handle Tort/Product Liability law. If a performace boater (or any boater for that matter) gets hurt boating, due to his or her own risk-taking and stupidity, the injured should live with the consequences of their stupidity. Stupidity is the numb-nuts in this Cig video.

I do agree, if you cannot slow down going into a turn, then that is a concern, but Step Bottom design/manufactuere is a plus for performance boating, look at the top end, straight-line speeds, Fountain , Outerlimits, - I will live with and welcome the added speed at the risk presented. Nuff said!

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The majority of this thread reminds me of the cat that wrote a check for a class a motorcoach. It was his first. Anyway, he gets settled in on the interstate on his way home. Decides its time to make some coffee, after all this is a motor(home). Puts it on cruise control, gets up to walk back to the kitchen to make his coffee - bus careens off the road and crashes.

Now clearly, it was the coach manufactures fault for not explaining to the guy with more cash than brains that you can't do that along with the k-jillion other things that you can't do.

Somewhere along the way, we need to educate ourselves about the machines we play with.
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The majority of this thread reminds me of the cat that wrote a check for a class a motorcoach. It was his first. Anyway, he gets settled in on the interstate on his way home. Decides its time to make some coffee, after all this is a motor(home). Puts it on cruise control, gets up to walk back to the kitchen to make his coffee - bus careens off the road and crashes.

Now clearly, it was the coach manufactures fault for not explaining to the guy with more cash than brains that you can't do that along with the k-jillion other things that you can't do.

Somewhere along the way, we need to educate ourselves about the machines we play with.
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Straight bottom V's are not immune to failure when turning. A 32' Signature at a race in Barnegat Bay, NJ 30+ years ago barrel-rolled going into a turn at the north end of the course near Bayville, and it killed the driver. I was there, saw it in person. That was not a design defect accident.

Steps have their uniqueness, but all V's can bite ya if you don't know what your doing. I see you have a 28' Apache in your profile, ask Ike or R-Addiction about going fast in 28' Apache; their great boats but sh*t happens, it almost killed R-addiction at a NYC Poker run many years ago. And both Ike and and John (R'Addiction have experience/seat time), sh*t happens.
Were not talking about what COULD happen in a 20 and 30 year old boat in race conditions. This cigarette and many others are tossing guys left and right at very slow speeds and in calm conditions. You shouldn't have to toss away basic maneuvering just to pick up 10mph. If your that desperate for speed then buy a cat.
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The majority of this thread reminds me of the cat that wrote a check for a class a motorcoach. It was his first. Anyway, he gets settled in on the interstate on his way home. Decides its time to make some coffee, after all this is a motor(home). Puts it on cruise control, gets up to walk back to the kitchen to make his coffee - bus careens off the road and crashes.

Now clearly, it was the coach manufactures fault for not explaining to the guy with more cash than brains that you can't do that along with the k-jillion other things that you can't do.

Somewhere along the way, we need to educate ourselves about the machines we play with.
The f-ed up part about the above story is the motorhome owner actually won the suit against the manufacturer. Big dollars and a brand spanking new motorhome...
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Old 02-21-2009, 06:35 PM
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Were not talking about what COULD happen in a 20 and 30 year old boat in race conditions. This cigarette and many others are tossing guys left and right at very slow speeds and in calm conditions. You shouldn't have to toss away basic maneuvering just to pick up 10mph. If your that desperate for speed then buy a cat.
It was a 70 mph race boat, not much different than what you own. It did happen. No need for a cat, I will stick with step V bottom, works great and will probably run mid to upper 90's this with mild power, my father father's old straight-bottom 27' Magnum could not come close to this Phantom with the same power. I like to go fast in a straight- line, but have turned the Phantom sharply at 85+ mph, no problems. I just don't have the mulla ($$$) for a cat; a 28' or 32' Skater would be ideal, and yes, I am desparate for speed that's why I love performance boating. I would race every hot-rod I could when I am out there, why else have a hot-rod boat - that's the way I have been boating for the last 25+ years?

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The f-ed up part about the above story is the motorhome owner actually won the suit against the manufacturer. Big dollars and a brand spanking new motorhome...
You gotta be chittin me .. right?????
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