Purchase deal went wrong. Need Advice
03-16-2009 | 07:30 PM
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So you let the seller sit on something you want for 6 months so you can get a better price and you call it negotiation. But when you snooze too long and he sells them to somebody else you call it getting screwed? 
Then you're pissed because he informed you by e-mail instead of calling you? WTF, are you a 16 year old girl and got your feelings hurt? If it's business, it's business. Somebody else got the deal you didn't jump on. I don't see how this guy "screwed you over". He didn't sell you a bad part, you were not out any money, you just didn't get the deal you wanted. You may have a lot of friends and are a stand up guy but seems to me you are bashing a guy over something that was your own doing.
Then you're pissed because he informed you by e-mail instead of calling you? WTF, are you a 16 year old girl and got your feelings hurt? If it's business, it's business. Somebody else got the deal you didn't jump on. I don't see how this guy "screwed you over". He didn't sell you a bad part, you were not out any money, you just didn't get the deal you wanted. You may have a lot of friends and are a stand up guy but seems to me you are bashing a guy over something that was your own doing.
03-16-2009 | 07:34 PM
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Okay, so Empire vacillated on the deal until he got a better offer. Didn't DomScott do the same thing to him hoping to get a better price? And DomScott called it "negotiating" until the deal didn't go to his advantage. Domscott did not give ANY money to Empire and was not out anything except a little phone time "negotiating" yet feels the need to call Empire a freaking Dirtbag loser?
Seems like Empire is out a significant amount of money on motors and I still say Domscott is acting like a school girl. If Empire had sold him the chillers I'm sure he'd be bragging to his friends how he strung this guy along for 6 months until he got his lower price.
I don't know Domscott but if all you guys say he is a straight shooter then why the over reaction on a deal that never even went through? If Empire was on here complaining about how aguy was going to sell him some motors for $X and then ended up selling them to someone else for $X + $Y then I could see him saying something about Karma but like I said, DomScott didn't lose anything on the deal beside a little time. Get over it!
Seems like Empire is out a significant amount of money on motors and I still say Domscott is acting like a school girl. If Empire had sold him the chillers I'm sure he'd be bragging to his friends how he strung this guy along for 6 months until he got his lower price.
I don't know Domscott but if all you guys say he is a straight shooter then why the over reaction on a deal that never even went through? If Empire was on here complaining about how aguy was going to sell him some motors for $X and then ended up selling them to someone else for $X + $Y then I could see him saying something about Karma but like I said, DomScott didn't lose anything on the deal beside a little time. Get over it!
03-16-2009 | 07:44 PM
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Mike wrote:
Ok, i have been following up with all the postings, and have been holding back to see all the posts. Note, if you all had read the mechanic notes, it looked like there might have been water in the blocks "possibly" and it froze at one time and from our understanding, thats how the cracks were made. Again, Mark at Kinser racing, did the leak down, there is possibility that from the leak down you might not be able to find out if there were cracks on the motors. To clear it up, I am not blaming Mark at Kinser Racing. My issue is with the seller that he does not want to do anything with this deal. I problem started as when I called Jeff, the seller and told him about the new problems that we had found out and his reply was you got a got deal on the motors and you have lot's of expensive parts in them. My reply was beside what i bought it for or beside what parts were in there, the seller indicated he had ran the motors and they were strong and in good working condition. Good working condition does not mean having two cracked cases. I don't care how good of a stand up person he is or his not, the main issue is he sold two motors which suppose to be working, but they are not usuable. If his a gentelman and a stand up guy, he would have worked this cituation with me and not forwarding me to take a legal action and lying to me and my attorney. As you have seen Jeff has not placed any posting to this issue that has happened, but looks like most of his friends has. Anyone that has purchased an item and they got something totally different, i am sure they have worked something out, but this guy the seller, does not want to do anything with the motors at all.
No you guys tell me what should i had done, or should do now. (Don't forget, we did the leak down as well and the results were about 12%)
Ok, i have been following up with all the postings, and have been holding back to see all the posts. Note, if you all had read the mechanic notes, it looked like there might have been water in the blocks "possibly" and it froze at one time and from our understanding, thats how the cracks were made. Again, Mark at Kinser racing, did the leak down, there is possibility that from the leak down you might not be able to find out if there were cracks on the motors. To clear it up, I am not blaming Mark at Kinser Racing. My issue is with the seller that he does not want to do anything with this deal. I problem started as when I called Jeff, the seller and told him about the new problems that we had found out and his reply was you got a got deal on the motors and you have lot's of expensive parts in them. My reply was beside what i bought it for or beside what parts were in there, the seller indicated he had ran the motors and they were strong and in good working condition. Good working condition does not mean having two cracked cases. I don't care how good of a stand up person he is or his not, the main issue is he sold two motors which suppose to be working, but they are not usuable. If his a gentelman and a stand up guy, he would have worked this cituation with me and not forwarding me to take a legal action and lying to me and my attorney. As you have seen Jeff has not placed any posting to this issue that has happened, but looks like most of his friends has. Anyone that has purchased an item and they got something totally different, i am sure they have worked something out, but this guy the seller, does not want to do anything with the motors at all.
No you guys tell me what should i had done, or should do now. (Don't forget, we did the leak down as well and the results were about 12%)
03-16-2009 | 07:54 PM
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Mike wrote:
While i am waiting to see what's going to happen with the 588 motors, i went and purchased a pair of Paul Pfaff 850's. This should get me as close as to the other motors would have (maybe), without worrying about braking the drives now. Got Max Machien Worx built me one of their drives. I want to thank everyone making a comment in this thread, either possitive or negative. We are all here to help one another.
At one point, it looked like I was the bad guy buying F***ked up motors, but that's OK, I know what I got and the seller knows what he had sold and that's all matters, plus having others in this forum learn about the cituation that could place one in a terrible position.
While i am waiting to see what's going to happen with the 588 motors, i went and purchased a pair of Paul Pfaff 850's. This should get me as close as to the other motors would have (maybe), without worrying about braking the drives now. Got Max Machien Worx built me one of their drives. I want to thank everyone making a comment in this thread, either possitive or negative. We are all here to help one another.
At one point, it looked like I was the bad guy buying F***ked up motors, but that's OK, I know what I got and the seller knows what he had sold and that's all matters, plus having others in this forum learn about the cituation that could place one in a terrible position.
03-16-2009 | 07:57 PM
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Mike wrote:
Love the picture, that's what how i was thinking mine would have came out.
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Love the picture, that's what how i was thinking mine would have came out.
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I personally know Mark Kinser, and have several motors done and am in the process of building 2-1200hp motors. I have been there working side by side with him and I can say for a fact t hat everything that he does for everyonre that he works for is checked 3 times before before essembly. I have seen motors that have several seasons taken apart for inspection and usually they could be put rightback together again, that is the type of work that he does.
I alsio know for a fact that if something is not right or the person is not willing to use the right parts he will turn them away.
I know for a fact the motors were delivered to Kinsers and sat in a corner untouched until they were shipped out. I was there and helped with the crating.
I also remenber commenting that who in there right mind would put 2 - 1200 horsepower motors in a 33 foot baja.
I am also pretty sure from being a Baja owner my self that the motors would not fit side by side in the engine compartment without some major removations to the rigging.
Knowing Jeff for a breif time as he has helped me with a few issues on my boat, he is a straight shooter and would bend over backwards to help someone.
With that said i am usually a lurker and do not post but feel compelled to as I personally know Mark and Jeff.
I also remenber commenting that who in there right mind would put 2 - 1200 horsepower motors in a 33 foot baja.
I am also pretty sure from being a Baja owner my self that the motors would not fit side by side in the engine compartment without some major removations to the rigging
Different STROKES 4 different Folks
I alsio know for a fact that if something is not right or the person is not willing to use the right parts he will turn them away.
I know for a fact the motors were delivered to Kinsers and sat in a corner untouched until they were shipped out. I was there and helped with the crating.
I also remenber commenting that who in there right mind would put 2 - 1200 horsepower motors in a 33 foot baja.
I am also pretty sure from being a Baja owner my self that the motors would not fit side by side in the engine compartment without some major removations to the rigging.
Knowing Jeff for a breif time as he has helped me with a few issues on my boat, he is a straight shooter and would bend over backwards to help someone.
With that said i am usually a lurker and do not post but feel compelled to as I personally know Mark and Jeff.
I also remenber commenting that who in there right mind would put 2 - 1200 horsepower motors in a 33 foot baja.
I am also pretty sure from being a Baja owner my self that the motors would not fit side by side in the engine compartment without some major removations to the rigging
Different STROKES 4 different Folks
03-16-2009 | 08:07 PM
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Never mind... It don't pertain to me and I shouldn't have posted anything else.. There are always 3 sides to every story!!!
03-16-2009 | 08:13 PM
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03-16-2009 | 10:12 PM
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Mike wrote:
While i am waiting to see what's going to happen with the 588 motors, i went and purchased a pair of Paul Pfaff 850's. This should get me as close as to the other motors would have (maybe), without worrying about braking the drives now. Got Max Machien Worx built me one of their drives. I want to thank everyone making a comment in this thread, either possitive or negative. We are all here to help one another.
At one point, it looked like I was the bad guy buying F***ked up motors, but that's OK, I know what I got and the seller knows what he had sold and that's all matters, plus having others in this forum learn about the cituation that could place one in a terrible position.
While i am waiting to see what's going to happen with the 588 motors, i went and purchased a pair of Paul Pfaff 850's. This should get me as close as to the other motors would have (maybe), without worrying about braking the drives now. Got Max Machien Worx built me one of their drives. I want to thank everyone making a comment in this thread, either possitive or negative. We are all here to help one another.
At one point, it looked like I was the bad guy buying F***ked up motors, but that's OK, I know what I got and the seller knows what he had sold and that's all matters, plus having others in this forum learn about the cituation that could place one in a terrible position.
So you think 850's won't break drives???? LOL. You better buy 4 drives.
Actually, the only thing you know is what you were TOLD by your mechanic. All your mechanic knows is what he was TOLD and possibly shown by his machine shop.
