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Old 08-23-2014, 12:42 PM
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Well I have been searching around the net to see if there was ever any conclusion to this incident and have found non.

I have poured over the stills from the video and I just stumbled across some pics of the boats rudder housings that made me go HMMMM.
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what are those pics illustrating?


edit, just saw your post above them. wouldnt they sustain heavy damage as it rested down?
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The top photo is what the rudder and housing looks like from outside the boat right now with the second photo just being a enlarged pic of the 1st.

That top half of the 2nd pic shows the fiberglass rudder tube. That is supposed to be in the boat, not hanging out the bottom of the boat.. In the closeup you also see the brass flange that secures to the outside of the boat and supports the bottom of the the rudder post . Notice how small the flange is and how close the mounting screws are to the circular hole cut for the flange to pass thru. Maybe a 1/2 inch of meat for the screws to grab.And the screws look tiny, almost like the are not thru bolted.

Also the bottom of that tube is supposed to be heavily laminated to the inside bottom of the hull. If you blow up that 2nd pic you can see an edge of what remains of that lamination. . Nothing but a very thin layer by evidence of how thin the ridge is you view right above the brass rudder bushing.

You see that Dave?

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Old 08-23-2014, 01:39 PM
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Also this is to be a OSO discussion and the outside interruption of any Uptight AZZ hats from Yacht Forums especially that F.A.G. Henny will not be tolerated

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what are those pics illustrating?


edit, just saw your post above them. wouldnt they sustain heavy damage as it rested down?
Well this was another presumption that was made that it was heavily damaged by the boat rocking back and forth on the bottom . What I am showing is how shoddily and underbuilt the tubes are.
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Now if you look at the 3rd and 4th pics with the 4th also just an enlarged of the 3rd.This is the inside of the boat where the tubes come thru and notice there is no heavy tearing. Just a clean break of very little material.

To me it looks like maybe one or 2 layers at best.

A;lso you can see that the top of the tube went cleanly out thru the bottom . This shows that there was no other reinforcement on the top of the tube.

So what we are seeing is a tube that is approximately 12 inches tall with no upper support that is depended upon to support the forces of a rudder behind 90 thousands pounds of boat to be secured by 1 or 2 layers of glass.
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IMHO it tangled with a submarine and lost. Kingspoint is not very far away everyone is playing in the waters there.
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You are joking right?

There is no damage below the waterline what so ever other than the broken rudders stuffing box.

All damage is 2 feet above the waterline.

What I am trying to show is no forces did the one damage that is apparent underneath the waterline " The rudder stuffing box"

It simply failed because it was under engineered and than poorly constructed and supported inside the hull

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Link to the video.

Watch it before they ban everyone that does not kiss thier azzes

http://www.yachtforums.com/video.php?title=sunkbertram
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