Originally Posted by smcser (Post 3404886)

As most of us know, money is tight! There was 11 boats, and we all worked our butts off to put on a good show. Maybe you should ask the missing boats were they were as 42 had claimed they would be there and didn't show. So be it. OSS worked very hard to put this together and even discounted the fees to help. They are working on new ways to get a bigger turnout at other locations by asking the teams what they can do to help them get there. My hats off to the OSS leaders for playing very straight with us and treating us with respect. And we did get everything they said we would.

Thank you OSS from Team Purrrfect 417!

Originally Posted by BRUCE SEROFF (Post 3405196)

With regards to Biloxi. A great site by the way. I feel bad for them. But in my opinion the poor turnout is the fault of OSS. They had no schedule until late winter, when the other two orgs had their schedules posted. the teams decided that they would make their schedules with what was already published. They didnt know if OSS would even post a schedule other than Biloxi. Last year, we had 9 boats in our class. Thats all they had total this year.

So yes... you can call it a race if only 11 boats show, but they would need to be in the same class.

Originally Posted by smcser (Post 3405346)

Maybe stop the bashing to both orgs and say how good it went instead, then maybe it will get better also. :party-smiley-004:

Originally Posted by Big Time (Post 3405395)

It's funny because when Reggie was there it was always Reggie that was cheating. Now he is out of there and it is Fountain (the company I guess) that is cheating. Does anyone really think that the board of directors are sitting around at a board meeting trying to figure out a way to cheat their SVL boat? That would be like blaming Ford if a NASCAR team got caught cheating.

If you have a bad apple you have a bad apple, but don't blame it on the manufacturer.

Originally Posted by smcser (Post 3405346)

In regauards to the late schedule, all of the sites on the "late" schedule are not changing. Can't say that about OPA can you?. I can not lay blame only on OSS but what about the racers that were no shows? Why didn't you show? Has OPA done anything to help the racers out on reduceing fees? Will you beable to race free with OPA this year? OSS lowered the fees becaused we asked for help. We all got paid at the end of the day also. We all had a great time too. Look, if all the orgs could just work on working together and the racers work together, then just think of how big a race site would be. As for only 9 boat for all year, I guess we will have to see how it goes. Maybe stop the bashing to both orgs and say how good it went instead, then maybe it will get better also. :party-smiley-004:

Originally Posted by BRUCE SEROFF (Post 3405398)

That might be true. However, when Fountain's #1 setup guy is on the owner's payroll. And Throttling the boat. It goes beyond one bad apple. Not to mention, Jannsen is one of Reggie's best customers and Reggie is a patient of Jannsen. So...I'de say they're pretty tight.

Originally Posted by smcser (Post 3404886)

As most of us know, money is tight! There was 11 boats, and we all worked our butts off to put on a good show. Maybe you should ask the missing boats were they were as 42 had claimed they would be there and didn't show. So be it. OSS worked very hard to put this together and even discounted the fees to help. They are working on new ways to get a bigger turnout at other locations by asking the teams what they can do to help them get there. My hats off to the OSS leaders for playing very straight with us and treating us with respect. And we did get everything they said we would.

Thank you OSS from Team Purrrfect 417!

Originally Posted by phragle (Post 3405403)

So your saying they have a "you crack my back and I'll bust yours" type of arrangement??

Originally Posted by smcser (Post 3404886)

As most of us know, money is tight! There was 11 boats, and we all worked our butts off to put on a good show. Maybe you should ask the missing boats were they were as 42 had claimed they would be there and didn't show. So be it. OSS worked very hard to put this together and even discounted the fees to help. They are working on new ways to get a bigger turnout at other locations by asking the teams what they can do to help them get there. My hats off to the OSS leaders for playing very straight with us and treating us with respect. And we did get everything they said we would.

Thank you OSS from Team Purrrfect 417!

Originally Posted by screammachine (Post 3405427)

Nicly said, People need to be put in the promoters shoes for a year of prep, and then see if they would make the same comment. You just don't know who will show up. IT IS WHAT IT IS according to ZIPPER, and that how it gose. I would go to a one on one race. Jeff

Originally Posted by BRUCE SEROFF (Post 3405428)

One could assume

Originally Posted by PARADISE ISLAND (Post 3405546)

I assume you could beat that fountain if they did not cheat?:confused:Have you ever had someone accuse you of cheating?

Originally Posted by Wahoo ATV (Post 3405500)

It is not the Site Promoters or the Racers fault that only 10 boats showed. It is OSS fault for not securing the teams prior to committing to Biloxi. If you can't bring the show, don't promise it or take thier money.

Originally Posted by screammachine (Post 3405427)

Nicly said, People need to be put in the promoters shoes for a year of prep, and then see if they would make the same comment. You just don't know who will show up. IT IS WHAT IT IS according to ZIPPER, and that how it gose. I would go to a one on one race. Jeff

Originally Posted by Wahoo ATV (Post 3405500)

It is not the Site Promoters or the Racers fault that only 10 boats showed. It is OSS fault for not securing the teams prior to committing to Biloxi. If you can't bring the show, don't promise it or take thier money.

Originally Posted by rockstrmkr (Post 3404404)

I was at the races boring myself to tears, and if anyone cheated, at least that would have made it exciting.

The truth is that there was no race...11 boats, two of them broke, and two drivers were in two boats each that could not run at the same time....
Soooo, it was like watching paint dry:grinser010:

From what I understand the boat in question was set - up for P-1 on Saturday, but the organizers begged everyone to run on Sunday too so that there would be a few boats on the anemic race course....

From my perspective all the race teams that showed up, spent lots of time money and energy to race, should be applauded for doing their best to put on a show for the spectators...

Originally Posted by Whipple Charged (Post 3405717)

Nobody had any intention of cheating

Originally Posted by zipper (Post 3405679)

THANKS JEFF! leave me out of this dog fight:boat:

Originally Posted by JasonSmith (Post 3405755)

This kind of stuff is why the poker runs have become more popular than the races in KW, in my opinion. Nobody really cares about the racing classes and truthfully the poker runners put on a better show the day they roll into town.
It's cool to go to the pits and see all the hardware, but it's better to walk the docks at the Galleon and spectate there.

Originally Posted by waterboy1 (Post 3405798)

Racing is racing..and everything else isn't!

Originally Posted by smcser (Post 3405346)

We all got paid at the end of the day

Originally Posted by spk1 (Post 3405568)

We have all this attention on the thread, and the pages are starting to roll into the double digits on the cheating subject, and as I can denounce cheating, and don't respect it in any form, I think that we could turn this thread around to push the sport, and take all those, including myself who haven't been the best at following every race, and find ways we can promote.
Even as I read this thread, I cant help but think, that all of the great minds we have on this board, and what ideas and experiences we could generate to help push powerboating as a whole back into the spotlight.
Key West Nationals is something that I do with my friends every year now, and I think its in part because of the poker run that's included, as well as the extra attention and detail put into that event because it is a championship event, if we could start promoting that kind of attention and following, and even get each race event to have more of the social and party atmosphere as our poker runs, I bet we could sell one hell of a lot more boats, as well as have one heck of a lot more fun together,, because that's what I feel it should be about. Regardless of the boat you run, or the team you cheer for.

Originally Posted by THEJOKER (Post 3405676)

Allweiss just keeps smiing!:kiss:

Originally Posted by Catmando (Post 3406038)

I don't think, in my ten years on this site, that I've seen a better post on this subject. In fact, I liked it so much that I fixed some of your little flubs. ;)

Originally Posted by PARADISE ISLAND (Post 3405546)

I assume you could beat that fountain if they did not cheat?:confused:Have you ever had someone accuse you of cheating?

Originally Posted by THEJOKER (Post 3405676)

Allweiss just keeps smiing!:kiss:

Originally Posted by SHARKEY-IMAGES (Post 3405901)

Probably one of the biggest reasons the organizations would not come together.

How would you merge a PAID STAFF with a VOLUNTEER STAFF ???

If the PAID STAFF was asked to help out by working as VOLUNTEERS and give up their pay check, what do you think the response would be ?

This is my assumption that the organizations are still being run as they have in the past.

Personally, I haven't been keeping up with what has been happening in the Offshore World Politics.

Only reason I knew there was an OSS Race coming up was because I was asked to submit an image for the Race Program.

BTW, Can someone scan a copy of the program so I can see how it turned out ?



P.S.

When the property you are to use for your upcoming race is to close on a real estate deal the weekend of your event, it is certain changes would need to be made. I don't see how that can be any organizations fault for rescheduling the event to another time . Just a thought ! ;)

Originally Posted by kilrbusa (Post 3406108)

:bsflag:

now this is an interesting concept....but if these people run within the confines of the rules how would they know if they have a chance besting the guy caught with illegal equipment???

Not only were they accused... but they were proven to be cheating!

paradise--enlighten me on where you are going with this? :party-smiley-004:

Originally Posted by purrfection (Post 3405693)

Interesting comment. The OSS race in Biloxi in past years has had: 2007-23 boats, 2008-22 boats, 2009-25 boats, and 2010-26 boats. Pretty consistant for the last 4 years considering the economy. What's interesting to me is that there was a World Finals on the Gulf Coast last year that had 23 boats in attendance (3 less than last years OSS race in Biloxi).

Originally Posted by Wahoo ATV (Post 3406173)

23 is far better than 9 with with 6 being scored. My point as a former site promoter, is the Org must provide a show. These cities bust their azz to raise the funds for an event. They make promises to the people that they live with every day and then are slapped in the face. OSS should have done a much better job of securing their teams or gracefully backed away from the site. Why burn a great city/site for the future?

I don't know what Biloxi's boat count expectations were but I doubt it was 9 boats.

Originally Posted by BRUCE SEROFF (Post 3406201)

Yes...but did you know the Fountain was caught cheating in Biloxi?:lolhit:

Originally Posted by bobo (Post 3406220)

I know its not youres but Can you re-post that "larry king video " on this thread ?
Thats funny stuff , and it fits here for sure .:evilb:

Originally Posted by BRUCE SEROFF (Post 3406234)