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Aqua Banshee 11-16-2016 07:35 AM

Brand loyalty at its finest. Anyone remember the extreme vee incident at keywest? Or the dock buzzing at the loto poker run. In years past it was always the fountain guys defending.

Interceptor 11-16-2016 10:28 AM

Maybe it's the pressure of competing in a pretend world championship ?��

Xtremeracing 11-16-2016 11:26 AM

Guys lets not forget there was great racing in all the classes, its not all about a few boat. All the teams spent lots on prep time and money to put on one of the most competitive words in a while.

widowmak 11-16-2016 02:51 PM

Aqua Banshee, trying to send you a PM but your box is full. Thanks

Norman Bates 11-19-2016 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by Xtremeracing (Post 4501160)
Guys lets not forget there was great racing in all the classes, its not all about a few boat. All the teams spent lots on prep time and money to put on one of the most competitive words in a while.

Maybe the officials of SBi should take note that a (for the most part) great event was tarnished and over-shadowed by the in-excusable actions of "one team", and the lack of control , inspections, and enforcement of rules by SBI, going specifically back to the same "one team". Eventually you would think the officials would figure out the simple and easy fix is to force the "one team" to play by the same rules as all, or get rid of the "one team" causing all the havoc throught a complete racing series.

phragle 11-19-2016 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by Norman Bates (Post 4502211)
Maybe the officials of SBi should take note that a (for the most part) great event was tarnished and over-shadowed by the in-excusable actions of "one team", and the lack of control , inspections, and enforcement of rules by SBI, going specifically back to the same "one team". Eventually you would think the officials would figure out the simple and easy fix is to force the "one team" to play by the same rules as all, or get rid of the "one team" causing all the havoc throught a complete racing series.

Whooaaaa dude.. do not try to interject reasoning. reasoning doesn't work with todays public. This doesnt detract from the races, it adds drama, and drama sells!! Have you runed on the tv?? survivor, big brother, the bachelor, spring, judge joe, judy and 6 others, Dr Phil, presidential campaigns, Drama sells!!!! Carbonell is a marketing genious!! this was all planned and choreographed months ago!!!

Xtremeracing 11-19-2016 08:07 AM

It wasn't only 1 team, everyone wants to make it about 1 team. No one really knows what happened and to who it's just more dramatic with the gossip that's really all anybody cares about not really what happen.
My hat is off to all the inspectors in Key West those guys are one of the hardest working bunch of guy they worked 9 days straight inspecting boat. Listen to everybody's bull****tin whining and made it all work and kept the racing Fair but some of the comments on here it seems like they have a pretty thankless job.

hustlerguy 11-19-2016 08:36 AM

Another post by Norman who continues to not see the reality nor tell the truth.
Norman be honest, you obviously hate that team and especially Brian, all you talk about is how bad he is. You'd think he causes all of your problems I'm life by following your post on here.
Most people know there were multiple teams penalized in key West for being out of rules spec in one way or another.
They also know there were multiple collisions during the racing week and especially Sunday. So the idea he somehow causes all the accidents or out of rules issues and all the racing problems in the world revolve around 1 team is just in your biased and obviously angry mind.
I promise Brian is not the problem of the whole boat racing world, I'm sure he's not perfect but neither are you or I, there is only one man who is, and his name was Jesus.

Xtremeracing 11-19-2016 08:38 AM

SBI has one of the best inspection teams out there ,and by far the best medical team from divers and doctors ever put together.

I find it funny but just a few people that weren't there and have no affiliation to the sport are so quick to make judgement of what should have been done how it could be done but really don't even have a clue it is just good reading so they figure why not throw it out there it's just like the media does in political races doesn't matter if it's true or not how can we stir the pot. Looks like they would talking about the positives and how they pulled off the world championship how and all the great racing this year those teams that worked hard all year to get there and put on one of the best shows I've seen in a long time. But we find it more to talk about one team that was teched issues found with their boat corrected and they continued racing. It was handled professionally properly and every racer in the class was satisfied with the outcome those are the people that matter and all the crazy opinions we get on here about how things should have been done. When those people open their own organization they can do things their own way when they invest their own Millions

Aqua Banshee 11-22-2016 08:36 PM

I wonder if this will make speed on the water? 4th time is a charm. CNN reporting at its's best

Xtremeracing 11-23-2016 06:36 AM

Lol....

klaatutooyou 11-23-2016 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by Aqua Banshee (Post 4503315)
I wonder if this will make speed on the water? 4th time is a charm. CNN reporting at its's best

What is youre meaning ?

are you comparing SOW to CNN ?

Wow ! SOW comes here and gives us as accurate a story as they are privy too.

Just say thank you.

Nate5.0 11-23-2016 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by Aqua Banshee (Post 4503315)
I wonder if this will make speed on the water? 4th time is a charm. CNN reporting at its's best

You are one bitter person with a hell of an axe to grind. Maybe a new hobby is in order

Cevert 11-23-2016 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Xtremeracing (Post 4502226)
...every racer in the class was satisfied with the outcome those are the people that matter

I don't think this statement is completely accurate. If you polled the rest of the teams they would have voted the cheating team out of the Friday and Sunday races. SBI maintained: the cheating team wouldn't/couldn't win the championship under any circumstance; that SBI still held cards they could/would play if necessary; and that the response given to SBI by the cheating team when they were informed of their violation(s) didn't go unnoticed.

Nate5.0 11-23-2016 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by Cevert (Post 4503420)
the cheating team wouldn't/couldn't win the championship under any circumstance; .

How many other teams where out there running with Zero shot at actually winning and just out there enjoying their time?

Xtremeracing 11-23-2016 05:43 PM

Well i know all of the teams very well in the SV class and the top boats where there and ready. For you to say they were not prepared and ready to do battle is an insult to them all. By your statement it sounds like you are the only one that believes that, and I probably guessing that's why you don't have a boat in the class. The guys in that class are some of the most talented racers you will ever see with the best-prepared equipment that money can buy so don't ever think for a second there wasn't a boat that couldn't win. If you look at Friday's results the top four boats finished 15 to 20 Seconehds Apart. I don't know where you going to see closer racing than that, any one of those both had a shot just like Sunday.

Xtremeracing 11-23-2016 09:40 PM

Next yr should be an awesome yr, with some old and new teams joining the SV fleet. There is a potential of 10 or 11 teams mixing it up.

klaatutooyou 11-24-2016 07:56 AM

super v

super v extreme

superboat ,are all growing

Xtremeracing 11-24-2016 09:56 AM

Yes Mike took a little time but SBI had a vision for the future, and solid rule book and awesome tech crew is playing off for sure. The platform is there for the racers now it's up to the race teams to grow it as big as they want the ground work is done.

F1-00 Racing 11-24-2016 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by Xtremeracing (Post 4503744)
Yes Mike took a little time but SBI had a vision for the future, and solid rule book and awesome tech crew is playing off for sure. The platform is there for the racers now it's up to the race teams to grow it as big as they want the ground work is done.

Yes very proud of how far SBI has come over the past couple of years. They have been very proactive instead of reactive in realizing that a motor was being discontinued and providing a tech platform period taking seals out of the equation. They put the future and growth of the class as the priority... Kudos and look forward to it getting only better and better

TYPHOON 11-30-2016 01:29 PM

Does anyone think they will EVER race again after this latest embarrassment? I got to believe this should do it for them.

Norman Bates 11-30-2016 01:36 PM

Doubt they will quit. I'm sure they will be back. WAY too much ego in that boat! Besides, why quit when they continue to get away with it?
The Dock-tor and his driver-throttleman are still laughing all the way to the awards

Cevert 11-30-2016 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by TYPHOON (Post 4505368)
Does anyone think they will EVER race again after this latest embarrassment? I got to believe this should do it for them.

What makes you think anyone was embarrassed ? Your question should be directed to a psychiatrist.

Xtremeracing 11-30-2016 04:12 PM

Lol

Aqua Banshee 11-30-2016 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by Nate5.0 (Post 4503417)
You are one bitter person with a hell of an axe to grind. Maybe a new hobby is in order

Yep.

AZMIDLYF 11-30-2016 06:20 PM

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TYPHOON 11-30-2016 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by Cevert (Post 4505420)
What makes you think anyone was embarrassed ? Your question should be directed to a psychiatrist.

When you get caught cheating for the 3rd time by tec in a sport that most all your competitors value there reputation more than a win I would be embarrassed or ashamed IMO. Maybe you think this is good racing till you get caught. Its not the local dirt track what we do. Its not a contest to see if anyone catches you in Offshore racing IMO

Nate5.0 11-30-2016 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by Aqua Banshee (Post 4505454)
Yep.


collect cats and talk about the "good Ole days"?

PowerplayDave 11-30-2016 10:28 PM

It's the 2 dollar trophy. I'm always amazed at what the knuckleheads will do for one.

Cevert 12-01-2016 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by TYPHOON (Post 4505474)
When you get caught cheating for the 3rd time by tec in a sport that most all your competitors value there reputation more than a win I would be embarrassed or ashamed IMO.

OK then,at what point are you forced to conclude their cheating is pathological?

wellcrafted 12-01-2016 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by PowerplayDave (Post 4505635)
It's the 2 dollar trophy. I'm always amazed at what the knuckleheads will do for one.

I learned the hard way in road racing - IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MILLION IN RACING , YOU BETTER START WITH 3 MILLION

Xtremeracing 12-01-2016 08:54 AM

Next yr should be an exciting yr with the level of competition and how the class has stepped up to the next level. Boat count has grow and more coming this next season, we need to let tech do there job and keep the playing field level for all the teams.

TYPHOON 12-01-2016 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by Cevert (Post 4505672)
OK then,at what point are you forced to conclude their cheating is pathological?

I have concluded IMO that they MUST be pathological to cheat so many good people out of there due respect for following rules and thinking its OK and rewarding. Do unlimited kilo runs where there are no rules and I would have all the respect in the world for your accomplishments. Case in point I think its great that Brian has the VEE bottom speed record. Congrats to that.

klaatutooyou 12-01-2016 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by Cevert (Post 4505672)
OK then,at what point are you forced to conclude their cheating is pathological?

If you cheat youre peers .you,ll cheat anyone .its a sport all its own.

Norman Bates 12-01-2016 12:55 PM

AB-I wonder if this will make speed on the water? 4th time is a charm. CNN reporting at its's best


Nate-You are one bitter person with a hell of an axe to grind. Maybe a new hobby is in order


OR, maybe there are a number of teams who are fed up with the Dr and his chauffeur consistent blatant cheating, and walking away with a mere slap on the hand.
Sounds like a good way to kill a class, and throw away any credibility for the sanctioning body.

Nate5.0 12-01-2016 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by Norman Bates (Post 4505799)
AB-
OR, maybe there are a number of teams who are fed up with the Dr and his chauffeur consistent blatant cheating, and walking away with a mere slap on the hand.
Sounds like a good way to kill a class, and throw away any credibility for the sanctioning body.

Sounds like the class has gotten bigger this year and growing every year......pretty sure that was posted just a few post before this.

Also I enjoy that you keep taking digs at one of the only magazines and people to keep a spot light in this sport (speed on the water).....sounds to me like a good way to lose some of the only coverage this sport gets at all.

Norman Bates 12-01-2016 01:48 PM

NO digs or disrespect aimed at or inferring to ANY magazine or editor. Just pointing out the obvious facts of how one sanctioning body is handling one specific team, and their continued blatant abuse of rules, and lack of respect for SBi as well as other competitors

PowerplayDave 12-01-2016 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by wellcrafted (Post 4505697)
I learned the hard way in road racing - IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MILLION IN RACING , YOU BETTER START WITH 3 MILLION

Been road racing for twenty years and spent way to much money. But the experiences i have had would never match a bigger savings account.


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