Your opinions are all valid...However... Had this been a more "normal" fall day, the water conditions would have made the record speed impossible...... There certainly should be a few classes.... single Outboard, multi OB, single IB, twin IB, Historical...and that's about it. It is interesting that the "Joe's" used modest power....since mega power motors probably can't sustain more than 50 or 60 miles of rough water racing and also burn fuel like their tanks are leaking.

One other point of clarification.....Sorry Billy and Charlie....

Don Aronow in no way "pioneered" the Around Long Island Marathon. He entered it 4 or 5 times, I believe, out of the 8-10 years it lasted before the event moved to the Jersey shore as the Hennessey Grand Prix and later Benihana, Walsh, etc, etc.

The race was started by a group of LI boat dealers, racers, and builders in concert with folks like Guy Lombardo, Al Grover, Rick Stein and others. It became a staple on the Offshore circuit due to interest from Mercury Marine, Glastron, Eltro, Crusader, American Finn and the APBA's new Offshore special events which included the Miami Nassau race and the Hurricane Classic. In those days inshore and offshore marathon classes were frequently mixed together and some boats raced in both. In fact a twin engine 18 foot Powercat won it one year with Odell Lewis and Johnny Bakos driving for the "Old Man" long before Donzi or Formula were a gleam in Don's eyes... (See Below). This was in the late 50's and early 60's before Aronow was Aronow..... and Sam Griffith was the biggest name in the sport.

It is a fitting tribute to Don that the revival is dedicated in his honor, but he in no way was a founder of the event.

T2x

Didn't the Oklahomer National Guard invade Vermont yet?...

:D :D

BRAVO, WELL SAID,ABOUT TIME, AND WELCOME BACK T2x

Rich.....as you are just a "Johnny come lately" on this thread and misssed all of the good natured jabs of the earlier thread....on which I stopped posting .....Sam Griffith was mentioned quite clearly, along with photos of course, and at no time did either Billy or myself claim that Don had founded the Around Long Island marathon.

However, of your last three section explanation of offshore racing....I wasn't quite sure what that was, but Mikey from Finland told me it was OK.....so I totally agree.

Nice to have you back, but feel free to really tell us how you feel.

WTF? Rich? Are you snowed in? I haven’t read a boat novel like this since Jules Verne’s 20m leagues under the sea. LOL
Keep it coming, I enjoy your “narratives”.
No one referenced the recent race, as Don’s, or that he is the founder of the event. It is simply to commemorate his legacy.
Couple things regarding the “Record braking”. Just IMHO.
While I congratulate the OL team and it’s great that they did it in record time, I use the term strictly in mathematical reference.
I don’t consider it as the same “type or run” that it was done long ago. This is like saying the Concord broke the record of “Spirit of St Louis”. Different era, different equipment.
I think there should be two major categories in any “Old School” race.
A) Similar old school boats with similar HP running the “old” course, and B) new boats with new equipment. Each category should have Simple sub categories. IE; A-1 “V”s up to 30’ A-2 “V” over 30’ A-3” cats up to 30” etc. I would not based the classes on number of engine and displacement but on HP.
It would be nice to see a whole slue of events commemorating the “Grates Racers” of yesteryear..
Don is not the only great racer ever lived. :)

(Hint hint... )

Sorry Charlie..... But this is the quote I am referring to. I am not sure what you folks meant...but this is what you wrote

Rich

Has to be close to 50 entrants IMO for a need to split up the field even to 2 classes...

Who needs 10 classes with 5 participants and 3 gets a prize per class....people would get bored stiff at the prize ceremony.

Maybe they meant "Pioneered" as in "helped to make famous"???

In reality if his name hadn't been attached to this race we probably wouldn't be discussing it today....doubt anyone would click on the link saying "Rich's Memorial Long Island Race"..

Ha, Ha... J/K

+1

* The Hunting Dogs are back....

Pioneered vs Founded

We meant he was one of the early pioneers of the race, one of the early entrants, participants.

Founders would have been, the Billy and Charlie within the boat dealers community back in the 50's.

Confusing use of words, but Mikey from Finland proofed it for us!!!

Never get it a ground war in SE Asia, and never get into an argument with T2x. This is basic stuff yet people keep repeating these mistakes. :angry-smiley-038:

Love outerlimits and would like to own one. But wonder how the epoxy will look in years to come after it takes a beating from the sun a few years of age

The epoxy is covered. If it were raw epoxy exposed to high concentrations of UV I would be concerned, but as long as the epoxy has a barrier (paint, clear-coat, cover, even wax to a certain extent), there wont be a problem. Those boats will be around for a long, long time!

My point exactly......... :p

OK.....we surrender, don't send the Oklahoma National Guard to invade Finland.

Changing the direction of this high leaning thread.....T2...what do you think of the three race concept...April - California / Sept - NY and November - Fla??

Enough time between dates so everyone has a shot at preparation of the boats, without the added pressure of a time schedule every couple of weeks.

Sorry, if you covered this in your diatribe back there tha GLH posted.

Hello mick fly!!!! Billy and Charlie had 5 classes this year, where are you getting 10 from. nice and simple [class C boats 25 to 32ft single i/b or twin ob, hell add twin i/b. ] that I would run in my 28 single. but not against a 43 OL thats nuts. and trophies would be nice not the 6ft tall ones just a nice 2 footer. since its going to cost about 3grand to run the race, and thats not adding a $1500 gas tank or $2500 fuel bladder. I know over on the other side of the pond you have only 2 classes in P1 and 1 in class1, but guys don't show up in a 24 ,28, 32ft cat to run against the multi millionaire owner drivers of the 47 to 50 cats. oh and the parties over there goodie bags they hand out before the races and trophies after the races are real small :rolleyes:.you want 2 classes go watch p1. you need classes over here to fit race teams budgets where not all rich here in our sport. I hope the classes stay and more guys run next year, I need to send my lifelines back to be redone there out dated and need new skins theres more coin right there. congrats to OL for a great boat, I have a tape of me riding in harry turners 37 OL Team Obsession race boat running 95 to 100 off MV cape cod in 27 degee temps jumping the wake of the MV ferry in 1995. I wanted a OL ever since. got to go pains real bad today pills are kicking in:eek::eek:.

I think I was misquoted by GLH (who rewrites the NY Times every Sunday morning apparently).......

Since you asked some very good questions, my response will be in my next Speedonthewater.com article........

(Shameless Plug)

T2x

Regarding classes I just took a low blow on 2fastech...and some organizations in the process in general :evilb:
Yes the Classes are ok on this one. Just need more racers to show up.
Actually overhere we have several classes.. the UIM have a lot of different small classes. Then there' s the Marasthon Races and those you mentioned plus all the National classes.
I have lost count on them all.... :coolcowboy:

Regarding goodiebags and such it's the same allover.I don't race for money and fame ..just for the fun of it the fame and such is a bonus if it happens.

Ouch, That was a low blow at Rich ;)
Then on the other hand.. OK Natl Guard is almost enough targets for 1-2 vets of ours.. which as we speak are close to 90 as we speak.:drink:

If we'd be swedes we'd be in deep Sh*t... :bigbird:
Bytheway the Thinnest book known is The Swedish War heroes of the Swedish Armed forces... Mange no pun intended I know you're following :grinser010:

I hear ya..there ain' t no cure for Racingfever....
And reading about these true offshore races ain't helping any...
Still I'm glad they are happening again!!!

No doubt about marathon racing fever....took the hook, line and sinker, been gaffed and flopping around on the deck!

Info - The P1 series is now run by OGP.

UIM Marathon Racing runs multi classes - See this link for the rules.

LINK

No...... but the Guy Lombardo Memorial Around Long Island Race has a certain sense of Auld Lang Syne ....eh?

As long as my sh! T box is done ( which it will be )
And theres at least a half dozen competitors for each race you can count me in for long island and florida.
No way im driving to calli

Id do these just for fun, stories, comradery, and scenery but have to admit a small pot would be a major perk, and im sure theres a lot of others that feel exactly the same!!!

im pulling for you guys:signs069::signs069:
Mike D

Who's Guy Lombardo???

Sounds like a Canadian name...not that there's anything wrong with that.

:drink:

"an a one a, an a two a"...oh wait..that was Lawrence, nevermind.

:evilb:

I'd like to enter both of those also...one question...are there any Tour Guides available for the Miami race???...sure as crap I would get lost!!

I could see it on CNN now..."Stupid ole Redneck from NC gets lost in the Atlantic, ends up in Cuba and now held and charged with being a US Spy.. Last word from Cuban authorities is he was in the latest High Tech US Military Spy boat, a BLACK 1978 Cigarette Race Boat "

:evilb:

I would agree with you if the race were 1 OL vs 1 Fastech. But it isnt. The minute you start adding 15 - 25 boats, the statistical probability of all boats failing is near 0%. This is troublesome especially if you are in the slowest boat!!!!

Its simple: the more boats you add, the more will finish.

Ooops. There are classes. That' what you get for posting based on another post without fact-checking. "Stupid is as stupid does, sir."

Carry on, gentlemen.

Thats the beauty of living in a modern era!!!!!

Stop lickin your finger and holding it up to the wind old man:lolhit: pull that ugly sun dial off your bow and......
Go spend $500 on a chartplotter, they are idiot proof!!!!
I use em:lolhit:
Mike D

mike d let me no i got a houseon the daytona palm coast line,we can stay thier with the boat and drive down for the race if you want:drink:

Deal :coolcowboy:

the cure might be MORE COWBELL:drink:

Come one... """There's an app for that""

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Their wagon is stuck...


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Again?....Every time they pass a strip club or a mud wrestling event they break down. But just you wait until they sober up. They will be coming your way....or racing in some direction or other...... to bring peace, right thinking and bedlam to the free world.