ok guy's, i no ol is a great fast boat in flat water but why did this happen in some 3+ footer's " twice "
not being a hater just want to no why it happened
thank's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11Aa0vlJKL0

For those that need an Apache to go 100 in rough water


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pDV7vHF2G4

ha, no doubt that is bad ass ;)

there's is just something cool about watching a boat skip from one wave to another , doesn't matter the brand name

Will we see any of these OL's or Apaches in the Bimini Run next year? Just curious.

hahaha,I saw 26 do it in a race I was in until my navigator threaten me. to pull over since I lost my bolster and kept running. cape cod 02 waves started at 5ft , a fountain sv blew a hole in its bottom on the second race, that we all agreed the water had calm down since the 1st race. well found out its not my drive height on the saber. its the boat, this past weekend thanks too . KNOT RIGHT, DONZI, SLICK STINGER, and BOXER. we tried more drive heights thanks to KONRAD for sending a full lower. we tested drive height from 4'' to aprox 5 3/4'' no chance in boat. so we know its the boat. I should of bought the red sutphen:coolcowboy:, just kidding I do like how the saber runs over wakes even with the porpoising. looks like sand bags next. wish I knew this when I had the old gas tank out:eek:. I had though there might have been to much weight in the back. and talked about cutting the floor open and move the tank where most of boats have there tanks between the front bolsters:coolcowboy:. and if its still off when I am light on fuel next fall, we'll pull the motor take the new tank out of the bilge and move the motor 6 to 8'':eek:. unless someone wants my hull know minus power, could come with drive or without. well sand bags this weekend I think.

off cape cod YES:eek:, on the south side from the cape to block island. and sure down in NJ and south. hope to find out in my 28 when we get it figured out, may have to change the bottom too.love the 41 sabers, well going to chop wood for the wife later.ps if I plan on running hard I go by myself too.

you can lead a horse to water, BUT CAN'T MAKE HIM DRINK.:coolcowboy::coolcowboy::coolcowboy:. oh I was in boxer in 04 they canceled the races that day to. cape cod, there was only 4 boats in the water 3 sutphens running 65 to 75 mph. and a crazied racer from NJ going nuts in a 36 skater to show the CG it was alright to race.but after the mishaps of the 02 race it was called. and I had both knees operated on 3 months earlier. so I sat in the sutphen since my knees kept giving out. ride was fine on my back with the 5 bad disks:bigbird:. I could of ran around all day with Boxer that 26 degree hull cuts through the water nice. and the bow is broad on them.

some is bad, some is good.....

wow why don't you post the other 100 p1 vids where there racing in HUGH SEA'S and who was out front ol. and in that race there was more than one OL racing. about the apache 47s two owners traded two of the 47s in to OL for ols. and one of them was running in a PR on the cape in 3 to 5s and got spanked by gerrys 46 skater. he played with him that day. I'll look for some of the p1 vids with rought water from 3years ago. water was hugh.:coolcowboy:

This thread has some good videos in it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VMDLHNx_n8

that's big...

for that boat yes...3' is big water.

Dan will answer that shortly...............I'm still looking for the 3'ers?????

read my post at the bottom , i asked why this happened ?

Oh give me a break....."Nothing will ever be as big as the apache water because the water in the 80s was bigger" commache with all due respect, give it a rest. That p1 water is as big as the apache "5-6"....esp end of that video....big for that boat...my god, this is the crap that gets on my nerves...

And the ol spun out because of the driver...as is always the case. The boat if you let off too quickly...it'll shift the center of gravity, this forcing weight off the rear step section, causing the bow to dip and the spin to occur....

Its a stepped boat, if you know how to turn em...they're fine...they still won that race I believe....after the spins...

thank you , that's what i was looking for

I shouldn't say always is the case (driver error), but with most stepped bottoms this is true, you power out situation but sometimes that isn't possible coming around a turn, small corrections, never huge turns, it's like driving a cat, very similar...

I've turned them at 125+...you can do it, you just have to have experience and feel the boat :)

Glad to answer your question!

...if you don't like what the boats race in now, take it up with your race sanctioning body...it has nothing to do with the boats.....I believe Geico posted something like this awhile ago to shut people up about offshore shredding...and the fact the water is just as big, it's also a safety concern...we don't want anyone dying in this sport...

New tech is better ya say? The water is just as big ya say?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNrYqs-OAKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpj_NYNDKgs

Right, that's in really poor taste...all boats can stuff...that has NOTHING to do with the hull...ZERO...boat comes off, comes down wrong on the back side of a wave...any boat will come apart...


HE SHOT THE BOAT UNDER WATER...THE BOAT DISAPPEARED....you put that much stress on anything it WILL come apart...

not true.

I'd love to hear this, please tell me, how shooting off a wave at a poor angle, hopping down the next and forcing the boat into the next wave due to the angle and ride attack.....isn't true...at a high rate of speed...this has just turned into absurdity....


Ya know what, you win, Apache is the best boat builder ever...

I have respect, but there are other boats out there, that can run in that kind of water...obviously you feel that only apache can do it...

Hull failure..the part you omitted....with the boat stuffing. Apache Powerboats don't do that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dk5ihhAw64

Where the hell is Dan OL is taking a beating

He is in the cabin of the DA tribute edition............on his 9th Martini! Lol!!!
MH42 went to join him.....I can't wait to read what they come up with next! Lol!!

Haha that's impossible they will never build one of those things. By the way that video of the Apache is not one of my all time favorite videos it was very similar to the video of the OL stuffing. I will be the first to say that OL builds a great fast hull and have really improved the bottoms and pushed the envelope but I think that atribures to great speeds and the fastest v hulls to date, however I find it hard to believe they are also the best rough water hulls. It does seem that the cheerleaders will have you believe they are the best at everything and no manufacture does that. Pat this is not meant give you crap either. You have a great looking and running boat and it faster then most and it's not even a Sutphen:kiss:

Rumor has it the 45' Kid Apache blew the side out many moons ago ;) ..... jus sayin. :drink:

Don't get me wrong, I love my Apache but technology has come a long long way since the 80s.

Frank, none taken...

I would run an OL in pretty much anything...

What is wrong with the fact I love the boat, I've seen Apache's come apart before....the stress that goes on a boat when that happens is ridiculous...

Not to mention, you can be killed. I think you're right on the speeds that are approached it's huge (the amount of stress).
Commache: do not group me in as some band wagon fan...what the hell is the difference from you plugging apache, from me plugging outer limits? I'm not Dan, dan works for them, I'm stating my real world experience with these boats...

Don't make me out to be some mindless OL Follower, I own this boat because I love it's performance and the others I have owned, I stick with a brand that I feel builds the best, you disagree fine, but don't make my comments sound like they're mindless or somehow stupid...your points are ridiculous that a boat running 80mph 25 years ago, and these new hulls running well over 100, it's apples to Oranges, for a stepped bottom, OL is the best I feel, hands down, end of story...

You want to plug apache go ahead, I'm sure a bunch of sutphen guys would love to get on this...don't turn it around just because you feel partial to your boat...

This reminds me of the group I met one time that decided to sit there and argue the BMW 2002 was the best handling car ever produced....you can't talk them out of it...if someone else comes out with something better, I will surely give them respect...

Given the topic of this thread "Who is still making a non stepped hull' It's easy to see why Sutphen & Apache guy's would post on it. But OL guys? Doesn't make sense...does it?

It started as all in fun.......ill let it die...

It was fun!

I dont think this was the only one to come apart either, was it?

Honestly guys, the forces generated on impact go up exponential as speeds increase. To compare hull failures on 80 mph boats against those of 130 mph boats is just silly in itself. Lets be realistic, generally speaking our bodies are a lot more fragile than any of these boats are. One good stuff at high speeds in any boat and your very likely to see hull damage and quite possibly human death.


You mean there's a reason we don't see 41 and 47 Apache's routinely dominating today? :eek: Cool boats and I still love them today, but I have to agree with Panther on this one...

So ....your saying that OL was going 130!!!!!!! when it stuffed & blew apart?

anyone got the video of those 2 OL's, i think over seas, sv43's? taking on HUGE water.

the f2 boat was running probably 90+...

comanche, the fact you're saying you could dive an apache, SUBMERGED...4ft under water at that speed and not have it come apart is absurd, that boat disappeared, the members were thankfully not killed...that fact you're sitting here still plugging that a 25 year old apache could withstand that...just shows...well I'm sure everyone can see it shows...and yes P1 overseas, I have the videos on DVD, the water is HUGE...

Oh boy another OL cheerleader... I know Outelimits don't drive in the water they walk on water:evilb: the only point I would like to make is that the weight to speed ratio of the boars mentioned is greatly different, I am no engineer but the lighter OL is faster and most likely has more flex and would be more prone to coming apart. Don't get me wrong I am a fan of the twin step technology and as Pat said it is not rolling 5 footers out there everyday so I would rather have the lighter faster set up. But with that being said I think the "old technology" has proven itself and it commands respect!