How's your Commanche running these days Ed? Get it together yet?

Beautiful boats Commanche! Dont take this the wrong way, but how much experience do you have with step bottom boats or cats?

McManus....Apache Powerboats owner & Master Boatbuilder....also offers a restoration service for his powerboats. A nice feature that keeps Apache Powerboats in top form for decades. Quality pays....it doesn't cost!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkRZbwVxuP8

When was the last time apache built a new boat...2002?

Thank you for that build quality endorsement MH42! Amazing how durable Apache Powerboats really are! Unlike weak potato chip powerboats that hit a good size wave & explode in the owners face. They don't last & let's face it...it could be hazardous! Apache Powerboats endure the test of time. Safe passage in unruly seas!

Don't slander OL....I don't see any Apaches in supervee unlimited....the reason is no one wants a heavy pig that runs 90 with 900hp....that's the reason...granted they are great, but don't make them being the end all and be all to the boating world...

If Apache had put steps in their boats in their 80's then maybe Ben Kramer wouldn't have to sell drugs and go to jail to pay for his boat racing:party-smiley-004:

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH! :lolhit:

OL Out front in small water...if it looks rough..they will stay in their luxurious cabins and watch Liberace reruns.

:)
I have some experience in Apaches (36 and 41. The STarchaser 41) and have tons with step bottoms and Spectres And Skaters.
So ill ask again....

hahahaha how true ,they won't hit 90 with 900s. so to stay in shape they have to go back to mcmanus, and get a bucket ploy resin poured in it. they just get heavier and heavier. I know a few sutphens and even bajas that are 20 plus years old, and never had to be gone through:grinser010:. I see mcmanus is copying OLs seat design. for vids one of many rough water is in p1 malta round 6 big swells with big waves. still looking for the 07 races but enjoying watching the OL/FOUNTAIN/DONZI kick azz in P1. they did bring a Apache over one year to cheerlead and wave the start flag. it was to slow to race with the above boat evo class cause they averge 115.:coolcowboy:. if someone would want a straight bottom 40 or 41/47 look at sutphen 40 and saber 41 /47. it will be straighter than a apache ,lighter to.

Video of Jerry in his non step 41 Saber. Saber currently builds non step high quality powerboats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6CcRZ37vNs

Find the Videos? No....ok, it's back to the bs file for Air Time. And on with more of the non step thread.

How's the testing with your boat?? Get it balanced yet and keep it from proposing yet:party-smiley-004:

What a dumb comment.

So what you're saying is, that you need to be a poor azz bum with taste for the lesser fine things in life to apreciate Apache? What is worng with a luxurious cabin and white wine? Why have a stripped out hull that will need twin 1200's to hit 100? How many of the OL's build through time is still around and looking great, includiog Pat's 42? If I can have both luxury and performance, why settle for less? Could it be there are no Apaches build simply because the demand is not there, and todays new buyers who spend big money on their boats wants new technology? I'd say that is a pretty safe bet.

What I'm saying is OL does not seem to run well in rough water. But is extremely fast in small water.
Still waiting for that OL video in the 12' seas. Probably a no offshore powerboat genius like you has it! Post it then.

Commanche Id like an answer to my question :)

How about this....if you know of anyone building a non step powerboat. Post it. That's all this thread is asking. How about that?

Tuff Powerboats..

You really dont have the right to talk down about anything other than what you have experience with in my opinion...not saying you dont, for all I know youve owned em all

Truthfully...I don't want to talk down any of them. But, if provoked.....it's going to get cooking! It's that simple.

Tuff Powerboats......I'll have a look.

They make a very nice 21 and 28! Out of Canada

Tuff Powerboats it is!
http://tuffmarine.com/

How did I overlook this post! LOL!!!
As far as steps from the maker in a Apache Powerboat.......not in this lifetime
As far as Ben staying out of the pen.......ditto!
LOL!

Checkmate and Donzi to name a few... The Classics are flat bottoms... Sutphen, Velocity... etc.

I remember a while back.....an outrageous Sutphen owned by a then extremely popular OSO member. Big Power.....I think staggered....wet sump 6's.......all white....Trick components throughout!!(there is a clue) Anyone save any pics? A real beauty!

its easy go to the racing section, go to P1 and take your pick I listed a few race names last night . lots of vids in 07/ 08 to 10.I don't have the time to post them on this thread. trying to get my saber vids transfered to dvd so I can post them in the Saber section. yes they are a nice boat made well. like I posted before someone should have them build a new 47. I talked to Doug to day. since we have been trying to figure out our issues with handling. hope to run it sunday but its tough with my brother inlaw laying in the ICU, so thats got me busy, trying to talk his wife into sending him to Boston to M G, before his heart stops for good. but thats my issue,this week sux, with 3 lost souls now. back to the bs I hope to dial in my saber this week or next, its getting cold anyone have a righthand transom lifting prop like a p5 or 4 blade ,DOUG agreed its worth a shot. all mine are bow lifting and since we can't bury the bow with the 380ks:eek:. a few sand bags and p5 might work. then I'll have to sell my props. joker's 47 Apache had the best paint job of all the 47s I have seen, maybe Dan can post pics from when it was traded in to OL. the owner stripped it I believe and used the 6s and blower motors on a OL. the new 31 sutphens are real bad azz looking.I had a chance to buy the sister boat to Boxer. but had lots of money tied up on the Gellner motor and konrad ace.:grinser010:plus it rides awesome the 31. the 30cig comes non step too. got to run check on people. godspeed to Joey another soul gone to heaven. its been a sad week.:(:(

I have a new 2012 28ft Checkmate with twin outboards with no step. Click here for pics

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o40299-en.html


http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...n/101_0070.jpg

Appreciate the unlucky that have endured the ultimate price for doing what they love. I think a moment of silence is deserved...

comache, quit your bull**** with making jokes, honestly, the sport has suffered a loss, don't get in on the fact the apaches run in rough water, that's 80mph, try running a real speed in a vee or a step.....over 100...

Then talk, those that have felt the loss deserve a moment of silence, and I've sad that in several threads...quit being such a pompous ******* the 80s are over, your slow heavy pigs are not the king, skaters, outer limits, fountain, all the real manufacturers (pant era, anyone who i forgot) the real people that keep the racing alive....you may joke about a boat coming apart, but at least people lived, quit your *ucking attitude, and stop making a laughing argument for those that really run..

For those that Race, WE SALUTE YOU...RACE IN PEACE...

I'd have to disagree, Ben was racing Cats in the end also, so Steps would've come along on the V bottoms unless Team Apache would've stopped V-bottom production almost to nil on Bennys orders. Remember that in the mid to late 80's the Cat frenzy had cought even Aronow.

IMO would be cool to see a Apache hull with 2-3 steps and see how it performs, as it has already rocker in the bottom it should be a no-brainer regarding results. IMO Classic hull lines and new bottoms would be killer in these days for the Old school Fans wanting new. Thenagain... who in their right minds wants a pleasure boat, especially an open V running 120+. I'd have mine with a Canopy, race seats, belts, oxygen masks, a Hans aid and full helmet. Presto... looking at race Fountains and Super Vee.

I'm Happy with Apaches being in the sub 120 territory, 116 was the tops for Predator with 6's which is quite insane already. Normally one would run high 80's with 3-5's and 850+ hp on a race setup. I reckon no passenger likes even those speeds, at least I haven't found any. Eric has got his Yellow warpath running good also with basically finetuning. More cubic inches and props basically, and I love the setup and the statement it makes at 106+ (?). Who needs more in ultimate bragging rights as the sea will always slow everyone down to 80's or less, even OL43's ? But gotta give credit to them as we speak despite being a fan of old school looks.

Excellent looking powerboat!

Interesting perspective.......Ben was certainly a well funded force in Offshore Racing. All illegal of course. Speculation is entertaining & uncertain. Status Quo for Apache Powerboats is no steps.

I agree with this 100%.....Amen

I agree wholeheartedly, having run the Gun against both Predator and TKO in P-2 and P-3.......each of us above the century mark very capably........and knowing what our riggs can handle,.......while not in race conditions, and with other passengers.......no real need to run at the top end in anything over 4-6 footers.........for pleasure and with others who aren't racers and in safety gear.........anyone that says otherwise, ...well

This entertainment is free also ;)
I hate Status Quos :lolhit:

An outstanding Apache
!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRwzMn8sCNc

Warhawk

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I appreciate the old tech and the new, but something about this is just right. When I think offshore, this is the image in my mind. This thing sounds perfect and looks great gettin 'er done.

They were until the big stuff where Bob Saccenti suffered a major head injury. However, "Ben's company", Apache, was all about competing and winning so I think they would have kept advancing with technology just as everyone else did and not remain the status quo.

There already is, the 42' Chief. It's an Apache with steps. The steps are not aggressive but comperably speaking the boat is 10 mph faster than a 41' Apache "pleasure" model with similar power. :drink:

Apache Powerboats......
Are any faster in small water? Probably most of them!
Are any faster in rough seas? Probably none of them!
Don Aronow's best design.........Ben Kramer got a winner!

You know the rest.....

really?.....

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