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Whipple Charged 05-19-2012 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by 348SStb (Post 3691261)
+1

Glad everyone is ok, and all that stuff. I don't want to diminish that point with what I'm about to say.

There is no way any vee bottom is going 110 (or even 105) with 600 horsepower. The only boat on the planet that's going that fast with 600 horsepower is a 28 skater or similar (or a smaller cat).

Outerlimits is making fast vee bottoms as we all know, but they are still vee bottoms and the guys at OL aren't making miracles happen. That speed with 600 hp defies the common sense of any high performance boater.

To be clear, the boat runs 103 mph with the stock 600, many have verified this. It will run roughly 113mph stage 3. The boat is unlike any others. The boat ran 97 mph with 5 guys totaling over 1000lbs and another 200lbs of beer and junk with more to go. This is with the guys from mercury racing in it, in havasu, very hot outside. I can guarantee that this boat is this fast.

Whipple Charged 05-19-2012 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Sbarberdds (Post 3690803)
I think they have only built 2 of these, im sure they are going to suspend any sales until they have things worked out, now that this is public info they will not want any liability with these 29's, impositive mike will make sure there are no design issues before he sells any more

2 productions and 1 prototype, along with others in production. There is not stopping production and there is nothing wrong with the design. There was some chop and rollers, and there was a mechanical issue.

A statement like this is silly. Do you know how many boats out there should never be sold? This boat is the safest single engine and best single engine v I've ever been in. This will be back in the water and the others are gonna be hitting the water soon. Time will show what a different boat this is. Keep in mind that most boats are destroyed during roll overs or at least have significant damage.

jayboat 05-19-2012 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by Whipple Charged (Post 3691291)
To be clear, the boat runs 103 mph with the stock 600, many have verified this. It will run roughly 113mph stage 3. The boat is unlike any others. The boat ran 97 mph with 5 guys totaling over 1000lbs and another 200lbs of beer and junk with more to go. This is with the guys from mercury racing in it, in havasu, very hot outside. I can guarantee that this boat is this fast.

Five dudes in that boat going 97 in Havasu is not a sausage fest, it's a wienie roast. :evilb:

Whipple Charged 05-19-2012 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by pm203 (Post 3690412)
Was Golddigger ready as the first cat?

You realize gd was not the first cat? Gd had new type of engine packages that had massive issues. The boat runs really well now and ran great with the merc 1200s. The original owner knew they would need some testing but never got the engine package to survive and therefore setting up the boat was impossible.

The 29 was tested far more than most boats and changes were made before they took production orders.

Statements like this really have zero significance towards the topic at hand and are made from ones who have little or know facts on the true story.

348SStb 05-19-2012 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by Whipple Charged (Post 3691291)
To be clear, the boat runs 103 mph with the stock 600, many have verified this. It will run roughly 113mph stage 3. The boat is unlike any others. The boat ran 97 mph with 5 guys totaling over 1000lbs and another 200lbs of beer and junk with more to go. This is with the guys from mercury racing in it, in havasu, very hot outside. I can guarantee that this boat is this fast.

Not buying it brother, sorry. Six hundred horsepower is not pushing a v bottom of that size to 103 mph. If the supercharger is doctored then we have a different scenario of course.

What does the boat weigh, 3000 lbs? Then maybe. When I saw the boat in Miami it looked like a teeny tiny boat in terms of its freeboard. Not a large boat at all for its length. That's not a criticism - just a statement and an observation that it was designed in a certain way to attain a cerain efficiency.

But still - there's nothing so ground breaking about Mike's newest creation that it would go 20 miles/hour faster than the other fastest vee bottoms out there with the same power such as boats from Howard Custom Boats, Laveycraft, Sunsation, Hustler, etc. I love a good vee but a vee can't be made into a thing that has the efficiency of a cat.

E Colby 05-19-2012 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by 348SStb (Post 3691338)
Not buying it brother, sorry. Six hundred horsepower is not pushing a v bottom of that size to 103 mph. If the supercharger is doctored then we have a different scenario of course.

What does the boat weigh, 3000 lbs? Then maybe. When I saw the boat in Miami it looked like a teeny tiny boat in terms of its freeboard. Not a large boat at all for its length. That's not a criticism - just a statement and an observation that it was designed in a certain way to attain a cerain efficiency.

But still - there's nothing so ground breaking about Mike's newest creation that it would go 20 miles/hour faster than the other fastest vee bottoms out there with the same power such as boats from Howard Custom Boats, Laveycraft, Sunsation, Hustler, etc. I love a good vee but a vee can't be made into a thing that has the efficiency of a cat.

I was in the same boat for a test for Boating magazine on a day that had winds gusting to 15 knots and 2' to 3' chop on the same body of water where it rolled. The boat ran 101 mph and change on GPS. I had my 11-year-old son in the boat and, after driving it myself, would not think twice about taking him in the same model again. I made slalom turns at 50 mph and the boat responded perfectly. After about 10 minutes behind the wheel, I had it up to 100 mph and felt comfortable and in control.

Eric Colby

acaruso 05-19-2012 07:51 PM

give mem3steps like thesong says not on a 29:lolhit:

43sv 05-19-2012 08:08 PM

Unless you really look at the bottom of the boat and truly understand what is going on, you shouldn't say anything about the boat. Its not as light as you think, its just the next step in V bottom design. Have taken a couple of rides in the 29 as well as most other outer limits models, this boat by far (for its size) rides very well.

Sbarberdds 05-19-2012 08:51 PM

I agree . I think outerlimits has hit on a new advancement on vee bottom technology. I bet they will incorporate some of this technology in all their models. I would love to see a surface drive on it so they could put a surface peircing prop on it, id bet 110 would not be out of the question

348SStb 05-19-2012 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by 43sv (Post 3691366)
Unless you really look at the bottom of the boat and truly understand what is going on, you shouldn't say anything about the boat. Its not as light as you think, its just the next step in V bottom design. Have taken a couple of rides in the 29 as well as most other outer limits models, this boat by far (for its size) rides very well.

I've seen the bottom of the boat. In person at the Miami show. It was the orange boat which is the topic of this thread.

Vee bottom boats today are being greatly improved by the premier boat manufacturers. I appreciate that. But this is not rocket science and there has been no great discovery. The basic physical concepts of drag and bottom configuration (v) remain the same. Those concepts can be tweaked better and better but there is a limit to what can be done with a certain bottom configuration. That's all I'm trying to say. The folks at OL naturally have connections with folks in the supercharging industry and with Mercury to be sure - and they have experience building their own engines as they made some progress for themselves in that field - and until a third party purchases one with said stock power and can verify the top speed number, for now I would say the claims are highly interesting if true *but* they are not yet verified in my opinion. I think others would agree precisely because 600 horsepower could hardly push a 29 foot cat to 103 mph (okay it might push a 29 foot cat to a little more than 103), and a vee bottom is way inferior to a cat in terms of its efficiency.

Not being a hater at all - it just doesn't make sense at 600 horsepower. It was claimed that a 525 29SV hits 90 (which is its own substantial claim), so how is 75 horsepower giving us and additional 13 mph?


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