My Way Crew Confirmed to be OK After Crash
08-13-2012 | 11:52 AM
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I can't believe I'm on a boating website where cruiser wakes versus excessive speeds in a congested waterway is even an argument. Does anyone here actually read the USCG Colregs? Any one you ever been involved in a boating accident investigation? It would be an eye-opener.
08-13-2012 | 11:54 AM
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Absolutely. However, can we assume the same human reaction time driving a boat at 70mph and 150+ mph? Yes, some drivers are better and also more aware than others, but we are all only human.
Can we agree that even my relatively inexperienced (compared to MY WAY) boat handling skills have:
1. A better chance of seeing and avoiding a jet ski, 14 ft jon boat, or 20mph Bayliner at 70mph that the speed My Way was travelling on a public waterway?
2. Also, that even with lesser presumed experience on my behalf, that there are a larger percentage of public boaters assuming a go fast is not travelling at My Way speed in a public boating area area? What about that 15 year old kid on a jet ski we've all seen in front of us?
I appluad those who spend the money and have the passion to build these amazing turbine boats. I get going fast.
My issue is with going at least twice as fast as others are presuming and the risks to innocent others in a PUBLIC boating area.
I'm sure you'd be pissed if you saw me doing 150mph down the freeway, passing grandma in her Hyandai. Same reason I don't do that and we leave it on the racetrack. Same reason I'm pissed these boats are going this fast without being on a closed course.
If My Ways close call had happened anywhere close to my family boat outing, the driver would have got a black eye and a bloody nose. I would have chased him down to deliver it given the chance.
The means to have nice toys, and the balls to go fast doesn't trump the right to endanger others who are oblivious to what you're doing. I don't drive my race cars on a public street.
There's a sense of entitlement with this situation that is plain wrong.
Can we agree that even my relatively inexperienced (compared to MY WAY) boat handling skills have:
1. A better chance of seeing and avoiding a jet ski, 14 ft jon boat, or 20mph Bayliner at 70mph that the speed My Way was travelling on a public waterway?
2. Also, that even with lesser presumed experience on my behalf, that there are a larger percentage of public boaters assuming a go fast is not travelling at My Way speed in a public boating area area? What about that 15 year old kid on a jet ski we've all seen in front of us?
I appluad those who spend the money and have the passion to build these amazing turbine boats. I get going fast.
My issue is with going at least twice as fast as others are presuming and the risks to innocent others in a PUBLIC boating area.
I'm sure you'd be pissed if you saw me doing 150mph down the freeway, passing grandma in her Hyandai. Same reason I don't do that and we leave it on the racetrack. Same reason I'm pissed these boats are going this fast without being on a closed course.
If My Ways close call had happened anywhere close to my family boat outing, the driver would have got a black eye and a bloody nose. I would have chased him down to deliver it given the chance.
The means to have nice toys, and the balls to go fast doesn't trump the right to endanger others who are oblivious to what you're doing. I don't drive my race cars on a public street.
There's a sense of entitlement with this situation that is plain wrong.
I happen to think 70mph in a 27 ft boat with a child onboard is to much speed
08-13-2012 | 11:57 AM
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There is some sort of transformation that happens to many boaters at a poker run. The nicest dude, family man, etc. can turn into the biggest idiot in the World and make anything a pissing match.
I watched this at AOTH... It's a Donzi/Cig/etc run in KY every year. The year I went the instant the flag dropped for the fun run half the pack went full retard. There were 20 ft. Cigs running near 100 MPH in a lake filled with floating logs/trees. I was worried about running 30 MPH through that garbage.
Running over even 70 on just about any Navigable inland waterway on a weekend is just fukkin stupid unless you are confident there aren't other boats around. There are a reason why highways work... everyone is going fast in the same direction and there are minimum speed limits. In an environment where people aren't in lanes, could be stopped, could be making a U turn picking up a skiier, etc. it's going to be accident central.
I don't care what My Way is capable of if he's doing it around regular joes in regular boats. Take that thing offshore, away from the rest of us, to kill yourself.
I watched this at AOTH... It's a Donzi/Cig/etc run in KY every year. The year I went the instant the flag dropped for the fun run half the pack went full retard. There were 20 ft. Cigs running near 100 MPH in a lake filled with floating logs/trees. I was worried about running 30 MPH through that garbage.
Running over even 70 on just about any Navigable inland waterway on a weekend is just fukkin stupid unless you are confident there aren't other boats around. There are a reason why highways work... everyone is going fast in the same direction and there are minimum speed limits. In an environment where people aren't in lanes, could be stopped, could be making a U turn picking up a skiier, etc. it's going to be accident central.
I don't care what My Way is capable of if he's doing it around regular joes in regular boats. Take that thing offshore, away from the rest of us, to kill yourself.
08-13-2012 | 11:57 AM
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The fallacy with your straw man argument is that grandma isn't throwing out a dangerous wake, one only needs to be aware of her presence and pass her accordingly. Not so with a boat that sends out wakes, sometimes with far reaching impacts.
I've been boating on Long Island Sound for almost 40 years. I've seen large cruisers throw out huge wakes that have practically swamped smaller boats, in one instance the cruiser passengers were laughing. I've had to shut down my 33' boat to safely negotiate some of these wakes.
Yes, you need to be aware of your surroundings and conditions for you are ultimately responsible for you and your passenger's safety. Traveling at a high rate of speed on an open course increases the risk greatly. Nothing replaces good sense.
I've been boating on Long Island Sound for almost 40 years. I've seen large cruisers throw out huge wakes that have practically swamped smaller boats, in one instance the cruiser passengers were laughing. I've had to shut down my 33' boat to safely negotiate some of these wakes.
Yes, you need to be aware of your surroundings and conditions for you are ultimately responsible for you and your passenger's safety. Traveling at a high rate of speed on an open course increases the risk greatly. Nothing replaces good sense.
I despise the giant wakes that 32 Aft Cabin Carvers through out on Lake Michigan. It's a pain in the rear to constantly scan the water in front of you. It's just part of boating.
I think blaming this crash on anything or anyone other than My Way itself is ridiculous. However you want to wave the legal liabilty magic wand....
08-13-2012 | 11:59 AM
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I can't believe I'm on a boating website where cruiser wakes versus excessive speeds in a congested waterway is even an argument. Does anyone here actually read the USCG Colregs? Any one you ever been involved in a boating accident investigation? It would be an eye-opener.
08-13-2012 | 12:00 PM
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Yes we should. The law says you are responsible for your wake. Most instances, everyone is focused on the go fast boat, and no one stops the cruiser or gets their name or numbers, bc most people do not know they too are responsible for the accident. Since when do go fast boats owe a duty to ensure everyone's safety, but no one owes us a duty not to harm us?
Yes, and they got lucky, but that doesn't change the fact that the cruiser was causing an inherently dangerous situation. Everyone knew there was an event with fast boats going on, yet the cruiser guy can throw as big of a wake as he likes??? BS.
The argument that "just because your boat can go 150, doesn't mean you should" goes both ways: Just because your cruiser can throw an 8' wake doesn't mean you should.
Yes, and they got lucky, but that doesn't change the fact that the cruiser was causing an inherently dangerous situation. Everyone knew there was an event with fast boats going on, yet the cruiser guy can throw as big of a wake as he likes??? BS.
The argument that "just because your boat can go 150, doesn't mean you should" goes both ways: Just because your cruiser can throw an 8' wake doesn't mean you should.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...VBp2MBzcI&NR=1
08-13-2012 | 12:02 PM
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I can't believe I'm on a boating website where cruiser wakes versus excessive speeds in a congested waterway is even an argument. Does anyone here actually read the USCG Colregs? Any one you ever been involved in a boating accident investigation? It would be an eye-opener.
Of course there are huge boats and wakes on that waterway. I'd be worried chitless if I did that knowing I didn't see it coming.
