That Blue 43V was easily my favorite 43 ever built! The Bentley blue and the cross stitched interior was absolutely a timeless classic. I only saw it once at the Jacksonville PR and it still sticks in my mind as the perfect 43V build.

Just brand snobbery. If it said Cig or Apache on the side every post would be good job. Nice to have a refresh after 50 years and less than a million bucks.

Does it have a nice chitter?

Well put buddy
100 pct,

+1

I thought this was a one-off build by Checkmate for one individual. Not a new production boat. It does take time and more money to get the setup right. Carry on.

499K MSRP as per Matt's article:

Within the same three-month period this year, Checkmate Marine introduced its 26 Convincor and 43 Punisher V-bottom sportboats. By any measure, pardon the pun, that presents a significant disparity in the Bucyrus, Ohio, builder’s line of affordable semi-custom sportboats from 18 to 30 feet. With the 90-plus-mph, 43-footer ringing in at a retail price of $499,000 and the 70-mph, 26-footer being offered at a base price for $88,000, the two new models couldn’t be at more differing ends of the performance and pricing spectrums.

I know builders like the Merc warranty and all, but I think a pair of Ron Potter 800s would have been a better choice. Naturally aspirated, cheaper and faster in the bargain. :) I bet he even offers a warranty as well.

This boat is totally out of my league even at 1/2 the price(499,000). I love it and maybe some day could buy a used one?

Having never shopped for a boat like this, I'm curious if the price on it is where it needs to be. Anyone out there think this is a great price for a 41' twin 700 merc off-shore? Is this boat going to make some other brands look overpriced?

What is the starting point for 40-43 footers from the other brands that this boat is up against?

seem's high 2 me for a checkmate .
but now if you take off 35% from the msrp that is normal y done then your at the $ 325 k price range . then I think you will have a seller :)
mike

For 500,000$ for a boat that runs 85...there is ALLOT out there at this price point. Good luck, but less than stellar numbers....

What does a 42 Legacy or 46' OL with 700's cost?

madjatter42, There may be faster boats out there for the money but none as big as the 43' Punisher. That's 43' of real boat length...no swim platforms, beaks, drive covers, etc. Furthermore, the 43' Punisher is far from being dialed in...the boat has only seen water for the first time a few weeks ago!! I'm positive when all is said and done the boat will break 90mph. As far as I'm concerned there are very few (if any) true 43' boats that are brand new that could compete with Checkmate's retail price of $499.00. I hope Checkmate sells a bunch of them!! It's cool to see Checkmate enter the "big" boat game. Their small outboard boats (like the Pulsare 2100 & 2400) are fantastic!!!

+1

+1
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o46646-en.html

A used sit-down race boat with Whipple kits and no cabin. Nice........

I believe it Will top 90MPH. If they wait to post info we are mad. If they Post info during testing we BASH them for going slow??? WTF???

So whats the price of the competition 700 NXT?

And while you list a new boat, also list the pros and cons

43 Checkmate
Pros, Very good rough water
Cons, not the fastest 90mph
Price $499K

477 Nortech
Pros, roomy, Good rough water
Cons, Not the fastest 88mph
Price 600k+ (guess)

43 Sunsation
Pros, pretty fast
Cons, not the best rough water, not that roomy
Price 600k+

46 Limited Outerlimits
Pros, Fast
Cons, not the best rough water, Not roomy
Price?

43 Black Thunder
Pros, Very Roomy, good rough water
Cons, not the fastest
Price?

42 Cig
pros, Great rough water
Cons, not the fastest, Not very roomy
Price?

42 Statement
Pros Fast, good rough water
Cons, not that roomy
Price 699k-799k (guess)

41 Velocity
Pros, Pretty Fast, good rough water, pretty roomy (cool boat, just middle of the road IMO)
Cons, Pretty Fast, good rough water, pretty roomy

Price
41 Saber
Pros, great rough water
Cons, slow, not roomy
Price

offshorexcursion

Matt T. has the Sunsation F4 base price at $600,000 in a recent write up.

More testing is scheduled labor day week with different props to reach the goal on Lake Michigan waters.

fixx
 

if your going to be testing on lake mi,can you get us a gopro video in the cabin area,,i would like to see how much cabin flex their is in this boat....for a boat its size ther dont seem to be that many supports in the nose of the boat..

Really? My goodness. If your a serouis buyer, you need to make arrangements for a demonstration, and sir? we do know how to built boats of any size.

fixx
 

not in the market for a new boat and not doubting your credibility of building boats but this is your first BIG boat you guys have built..i know what the inside of a apache looks like going through 6 footers and i just want to see yours...from the pictures it looks like their are not as much in the cabin as other bigger v's have..

Apache Powerboat

Don't worry about the naysayers or get distracted by their agenda's.

If you have the time search the forums.....I doubt you do because you're actually doing something (building boats) instead of sitting behind a keyboard lobbing grenades over the fence. It's the same naysayers saying the same negative things about this powerboat for the last decade... Meanwhile, some of them don't even have running powerboats or could never afford to own one of these powerboats to begin with.

I would say; just do you thing and keep putting out nice products as you've done for many decades. This powerboat will prove itself in the end and the owners of these boat(s) will be the ones to judge how well the boat run.

There is no grenade lobbing. Also no pics of the build process (despite an armada of highly qualified OSO photographers up to the task) No video yet of it running in 6 ft plus seas, where it is supposedly intended to operate. Those are dangerous, difficult water conditions & some people would like more info on a newly introduced powerboat than quoted top speed, price, fancy paint & smart azz comments. As always looking forward to more pertinent info. Carry on.

Pot, meet kettle.....

Carry on.

500K.......on one 43 Punisher with 1400 HP and Mitcher T paint


Or 119 Ft of boats with over 5700 HP, 1 real Apache, 1 Saber, 1 Chief by Saccenti (with Mitcher T paint) for 497K!

tough decisions! :D


http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o47351-en.html
199K for Clifford
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o43527-en.html
99K for Bull Roar
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o46721-en.html
199K for Chief

fixx
 

oh boy here we go!!!!! name calling,,didnt you do that when you were in first grade? i asked a simple ? and that was a video of the cabin area whyle under way thats all,,you saw the? straight to defensive answer i got..

so back off,i ment no harm and yes i do have more then one performance boat's yes boat's!!!!! that i do all my own work on because im not a puzzy and i dont mind getting my hands dirty...

Mrfix, not to be the grammar police but you need to work on your spelling.

I think most of us are capable of finding great deals on used boats.
I'd like to know if there is a better deal out there on a comparable new one.
I get that some of the new ones it is up against are out of its league. But I'm wondering if it could be considered a pretty good bargain for a new 41' hull.
As far as build quality/strength I'm pretty sure that you can't loose 4000lbs and be as strong as the Apaches, but I'm pretty sure Sunsation and others have shown most buyers aren't going to treat their boat like some of those Apaches get treated. I think even most Apache owners won't do it.

Unfortunatly so far, no one has come on here and clairified the prices of the new boats. The kind of guys who know this info probably find all this arguing rather pointless and avoid these threads.

I thank offshorexcursion for trying.

Nothing so wrong with his spelling that I can't comprehend his meaning! Here's one for MrFix, the man from Between a Womans Leggs, IL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loiH-e9Xm04

fixx
 

well if you cant understand then you could always use the ole spell check button..oh and you can thank google chrome spell check because them their words is from their webber site...

There have been pictures posted of this build on the internet. For example, below is one that I found by doing a quick search. It appears there are full bulkheads and knee's through out the length of the powerboat, which is how a lot of custom build boats are built, including Apache's.

http://checkmate-boats.com/photopost...bs/cockpit.jpg
http://www.checkmatepowerboats.net/images/DSC_9988.jpg
http://www.checkmatepowerboats.net/i...unisher_18.jpg

Amen brother.
I think it looks great! Congrats Checkmate

Panther, no matter how good a new boat turns out, there always seems to be a select few "Apache" fanatics that will bad mouth it no matter what...infact, most of the Apache threads are surrounded by controversy just as the real Apache boat company was. Yes, Apache boats were built like battle tanks and weighed a ton, but the new Punisher is not trying to compete with ancient history. They've taken a classic offshore design with a "relatively" newer step bottom and rebuilt the boat using todays materials. The boat is a pleasure boat; not a race boat. It's built the same way many other boats are built (end grain Balsa cored, bi directional 1708 glass, hand laid, vinylester resins, etc). Checkmate's mold work is second to none, in fact in my opinion they're one of the best. I believe Checkmate will do very well with the Punisher 43. With Fountain, Baja & Donzi all dorment, Checkmate is giving the public an attainable new 41' high performance boat at a reasonable price and filling a void that many of the other high performace builders
(Outerlimits, Nortech, Skater, MTI, Mystic, Cigarette, etc.) are missing. So let the Apache fanatics blow off their steam.....it will be entertaining when they get passed by a new 43' Punisher with half the horsepower and weight!!

Agree with both, the usual bashing, one is boatless the other ones boat has yet to see the water... par for the course though.

Would love to see Checkmate build a few of them!

LOL! The Punisher will succeed or fail on it's own merits. Nothing to do with any other powerboat or person you & the minions flail away at. (It is quite entertaining though) A more professional & informative debut (Photo documented) would have been better received.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whQ3cl9UR2w

No one needs to justify anything to you, post a pic or a video of your dilapidated turd doing something and then you might earn the right to speak about the doings of any other company... you have/add as much credence to this forum as Sunkin..

Now there's a great post.

Comanche3six, I'm not flailing at anybody. I'm just stating the facts. I'm a huge fan of Apache boats. I grew up in Miami during the Ben Kramer/Don Aronow/Thunderboat Row/Miami Vice years. I'm also realistic when it comes to powerboats. I ran a Fountain/Velocity/Hustler/Active Thunder/Mariah boat dealership and handled the financing for all these boats. I know what my customers justified for boat payments. I also worked as a factory rep for Active Thunder which is a small volume custom boat builder.. Any new McManus Apache would be out of the league for everyone but the extremely wealthy. They are very limited production custom ordered boats and few (if any) new ones are built. Old Apaches seem to change hands endlessly and get rebuilt with every new owner. Checkmate, on the other hand, has been around for 40+ years and builds many boats per year. Other than the new 43' Punisher, all their boats are under 30' (cept for the Baja splashed ZT 35) and were platofrms for many of that moved into bigger Offshore boats. Most Checkmate owner love their Pulsares, Convincors, ZT's, Enforcers, etc. and are as loyal to Checkmate as Apache owners are to Apache. The difference is that most people can afford a new Checkmate!! You guys are so quick to throw daggars at the 43' Punisher without giviing it a chance to prove itself. The boat is brand new and still being dialed in. It's been built by an experienced (40+ years) boat builder. It's a BIG, tall freeboard, true 41' long beast and I'm sure it will run well and handle rough water as well as any other NEW boat built today...and yes, I will say, nothing handles BIG water like a 47' Apache...but most guys I know don't want to beat on their pride and joys in 12' seas anyway!!! (and every 47' Apache needs at least 2000 HP to make it run!!)

No daggers thrown. Wishing you Best of luck with powerboat sales JP, You are an intriguing salesperson.