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Anyone know where Uncle Guthrie is today? Now that was a cool Challenger.

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Yes I do
Sadly it is in sad shape. It is up near gravenhurst in Muskoka. Best too keep it a memory. I had it's sistership, an all red twin engine boat with OMC's. It is now single 300 ProMax powered and at Performance Recration in orillia. Both of these boats have aerated bottoms.
Mine ran 90's with the twins, and ran high 80's with the 300.

RT

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Hey RBT, what happened to the dark blue i/o powerd one Duncan McGregor had on Muskoka. Teak hatch, real classy looking rig.

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Rob,
Is Uncle Guthrie in the water or stored somewhere?

Also, do you know of the blue Challenger on Muskoka - raised teak hatch with a King Cobra?

I saw pics of your old one but never saw it in the water - too bad.
Phil

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still going...

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I just noticed I haven't answered questions.

I don't know where Duncans boat went, but I do think it was rotten.
I do know where uncle guthrie is, but sad to say we should probalby just remember it for what it once was.

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Here's a shot of my "terrible Scarabpop"... actually it was a TG pop. :rolleyes:

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Hey guys,
Looking for a V-6, 3.0 litre,225 ,20",EVINRUDE/JOHNSON approx.1999,or whatever age that fits description.
Looking for best deal possible (lowest price). Would appreciate any information that you might be able to provide. Post to this forum, thanks.

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Have you tried www.screamandfly.com? Lotta outboard guys over there.

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We have had three of them Single OB, Twin OB. And we are currently finishing a 1979. This one was an inboard. When we bought it, it was rigged with a Kaama Drive and turbo charged Big block. Sick Boat. It is now rigged with a bravo and Aluminum BB. Havn't splashed it yet. Should be a blast. Best handling 21 footer I ever drove. Smitty

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Thanks BradH,but I'm having trouble posting on S&F.I have registered membership but I guess It's look but don't touch.Do I need advanced membership?If so how?They don't display any obvious membership advancement, not like here on O.S.O.
I appreciate your help.

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Sorry,my mistake. BTW,I was only referring to boat #1 that went to the PB trials.After that Don Brooks made some slight bottom and rigging mods and susequent 38's were fine runners. Friend of mine had one for years,sold it last year. Looked a lot like your graphics. Did yours come from Bham,AL?

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Not sure, haven't done much more than just looked around over there.

Anybody know if a center console was ever made from this hull?

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You should have no problems posting on scream and fly, although from memory they do send you an activation code in an email that you need to click on to open your account, if you still have porblems let me know I post on there fairly frequently, and put you in touch with someone who can help.

Will definitly be one of the best sources for a motor and a lot of people on there running this boat or versions of it...

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Thanks WB, I figured out the activation and am now posting. I'll be in touch. Take care, Jon.

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Great history - love this stuff! :cool:

So, with this hull being such a great performer, and subsequently "splashed" many times, who today builds the closest relative to it? Superboat, Progression, Tuff...?

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Superboat has an original set of Challenger molds and therefore makes the closest Challenger derivative. However the construction is much lighter, and the interior and hardware is much cheaper. The rough water ride characteristics are also very different in that the Challengers were built (and felt) like solid steel..... In addition the deck mold has become unuseable and SB makes no original 21's at this time. The fastest SB belongs to Joey Imprescia at 104+ with a single 300X

The original Shadow molds are currently used to build the Intimidator hulls, and therefore they are the closest Shadow derivative. Intimidator has modified the deck a little. This hull has proven to be the fastest that I've seen.... 106+ with a single 300X.

Neither the original Challengers nor Shadows could run the speeds shown due to weight (probably 400 #'s heavier)......But... fit, finish, hardware, and ride was far superior.

T2x

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So, basically - another case of "they don't build 'em like they used to!?"

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T2X is exactly right about the Superboat and the Intimidator, for what it is worth, I think the Intimidator is the better package due to it's more resonable pricing.

There are some copies that are infact better than the original, both in construction method and hardware, but for it's vintage the Challenger 21 was VERY VERY well built.
But those that care and take pride in there product, use both better materials and techniques then were avaliable 30 years ago.

RT

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There was a Challenger CC for sale over at S&F awhile back.
http://forums.screamandfly.com/forum...ght=Challenger

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nice history lesson!

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I will sell the 21 Apache scout molds or even build hull and decks if anyone is interested.

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This boat looks awesome. There is something about that motor though hanging off the back.. Doesnt look "mean" enough. Its interesting George has a 300 on his now, and not a 2.5

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Thats cool. How fast would it be with twin 2.5's?

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Yes, mine came from Birmingham (via Weatherford, TX?). It's probably the same boat. We really like it, works great for our choppy Galveston Bay. Got a smokin' deal on it, and it's like new. The vinyl colors are a little dated, but I can live with it for now...

Jim

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I'm not sure..... probably 110+.... But there is definitely a limit.... and these speeds passed the common sense threshold years ago. I've seen these boats run and they can only exceed 80 or so in absolute calm water.

T2x

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T2x, that Red Challenger I had, originally had twin CCC Johnrudes on it and went 111 with Merc MC1 speedmasters retrofitted to fit.... back in 1981. I am sure there is more, that particular boat had the aerated bottom and generated a lot more stern lift. As such it ran a lot flatter than the straight bottom Challenger I had. I am sure today with the motors off Driftin' more is there.

RT

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That's interesting in that we have one of 5 1981 Step bottomed (That's right folks...1981 ..... before Hustler or Fountain even existed) Shadows in Joey's shop now...and the owner is putting dual 2.5's on it (old style)... Speedmasters, as you know, change the whole equation ...and outboard speedmasters (much smaller than your MC1's) really increase handling and manners at speed...Unfortunately this guy has a limited budget...20" engines..... and stock gearcases. The twins always ran much flatter than the singles but it will be interesting to see what the step does or doesn't add to the equation.

T2x

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Anyone know of some old 21s w/o power for sale?

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you mean with a bottom like this?

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T2x, Im interested to find out why the twins ran flatter than the single engines?

RBT, thats a very interesting bottom setup!! I assume that it was working on a venturi effect?

James

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Not quite. Rob is so full of hot air that he had a large pipe hooked directly from the tubes to the drivers side of the boat and equipped with a mouthpiece into which he blew. :evilb:

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Philip-
hope ya dont mind... :drink: (I just had to do it...)
I love these boats.

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Yes

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Twins had so much more power and torque that they needed much less positive trim than a single....hence they ran considerably flatter....and were significantly better in rough water as well.......Of course that was after you added the ballast.
T2x

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I completely agree on the twins in rough water. I only drove mine a little with the twins before I restored the boat... to a single. It made it a lot nicer to drive and much more practical, but never had the power or rough water ability. With the 300 it was a pleasure to drive, with the old twins...... an animal.

Airpacker, if you could have bow hot air down the other pipe it might have gone 100!

RT

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Jayboat,,

Not at all,, great boats..

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What years were the Shadows built?I am looking at a 95 right now.