Looking for a resto project. Anyone have one for sale? [email protected]

There's a few on snf 2 shadows one in your neck of the woods

I can't believe this thread is still alive!
 

I can't believe this thread is still alive!

I'd love to see this hull get the west coast ski-racing treatment!
I've seen twin big blocks in a stretched Ausie 21, Ive seen The Halletts and Schiadas run big Super and Turbo power, I've seen an IMCO twin drive splitter so you could balance the boat and split the single engine horsepower...something like 1400hp if I recall between 2 outdrives.

The recent state of the art 21 is from Nordic. It sports a a Mercury Racing 1350!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ItQ8...feature=relmfu

I wonder what a GL21 would do with that power? :)

Whoa...and now of course the "21S Force" from Australia...check out the Mercury Racing blog yesterday:
2012 Australian Water Ski Racing Championships
http://www.mercuryracing.com/blog/99...-championship/

" Imagine racing a 21-foot boat in which our potent quad cam, four valve 1350 sterndrive takes up half of the interior! That’s gotta be a rush on its own. "
Ha!

That would insane...but interesting!

GL

Hey
 

How is everything George? Hope you are well. Nice to see you posting

There is such a thing as too much power..........

T2x

Anybody have good pics of the bottom? What makes the bottom so special? I see a small pad and notched transom.Are the bottom strakes full length too. and extra large? What degree bottom?the forward entry looks shallow.

Was not Denooyer's original Sting a 21 challenger with a sternpowr drive and a huge motor? It was around a lot this summer with a Bravo setup now.

George! Great to have you on board here!!

The Ausie "21S Force" has strakes that are straight back-to-front as opposed to the offshore US style (the Challenger also) which curve to follow the chine line. Usually the Aussie ski-race boats have less beam....even down to 6-1/2 feet but I believe this is at least a 7 footer. I was looking for some steps but I did not see any but the delta pad was pronounced. A 5 or 6 blade prop would hope to control some on the chine walking....but who knows?...It's still a single screw boat with the usual torque issues. The Nordic driver seemed to drive through "through" the oscillation. This boat may have a bit more V than the Challenger...but not much.

The Nordic's bottom has its origin in Australia. Both Hallett and Schiada now also offer narrow beam Ausie style ski-race boats.

Narrow beam, pad-V-bottom, Lots of power and....whew! Stand back and these guys are SKIING behind these boats!

Denooyas is a shadow.

"21S Force" Psycho Clowns boat as illustrated in OSO Industry News...

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/o...ian-water.html

Ripped from Orbit1000 with US conversions:

Name: 99 Psycho Clowns F1
Boat: Velocity 7
Length: 6.85 m 22.5 feet
Beam: 2.40 m 7.87 feet
Dead rise: 22 degree with varying width planning plank and steps,
Capacity: 400L 105 US gal
Ballast: 300 L 79 US gal
Weight: 1800kgs 3968lb Race Ready – dry, no fuel or liquid ballast
Engine: Mercury Racing 1350QC4V
Gearbox: Mercury Racing velvet drive - dry sump. Drive: Mercury Racing M8 Surface Drive with 1.30:1 gear ratio
Top Speed: 140 mph / 225 kmh / 121.5 kts
Fuel: 98 Octane Premium Unleaded
Race #: 399

besides the two that Philip posted, there was a 21 challenger race boat that ran around greenwood lake NY late 70's early 80's. had twin mercs on it, the boat was named infinity III owned by a guy named Gene who lived on the island but owned a house in gwl. he owned a few car dealerships.

anyone know what happened to that challenger? wouldn't mind making that my next project boat was a blast

Who owns it now?

The original was a Challenger, the new one is a shadow

Hello Matt, Michael here, you are speaking of Gene Violla's boat
InfinityIII. Gene lived at the entrance to the east arm of the lake. T2X ran that boat in a number of races back then. I drove it a few times on the lake, boat ran beautiful, as did most if not all of the twin 21's.
Gene also had two more single engine 21 challengers, a red and I think a blue or was it brown? Maybe Philip remembers. They sat at his house mostly neglected and only would be used infrequently.

It was brown, it was my boat. Its in Aruba now :(

Nice to see George Posting on his thread

Here's a link to a video from this past Sunday 9-23-12

Ran from Jamesport around shelter island and back, a good 65 mile run.
Running In water I have to assume this boat was originally designed for
Maybe george or rich can chime in on that.

The boat ran flawlessly and took the pounding no 35 year old hull should, unfortunatlly the motor did not fair as well LOL .

Check at about 9 min in for close ups of her running

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3S08...e_gdata_player

Thanks to dnelson in his 22 activator for posting this

I think this is the boat your referring to
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/...s/92207955.jpg

soon John...Soon. Just you wait!

Thanks for posting our video run of the Peconic Bay Bobby. That was a fun day and a great place to run !
Your Challenger still looks beautiful running !

Michael,

yes that was Gene's boat I was in high school and did yardwork and gofer stuff for him. I drove the red and white one it had a merc 200 on it nice riding boat. they wouldn't let me behind the wheel of infinity 3 I could only be a passenger . on my part it was the old ballz and brains thing to much of one and not enuff of the other LOL. He also had a blown BB jet sanger style boat. I do recall they had a blue and white challenger with a big john/rude on it think it was just about the time they came out with the 300 GT. You and Philip had a blue one also didn't you?. sadly the only brown one I remember was JR's I/O boat that was a sad event.

There is a tan or beige one sitting on a trailer on Jersey ave in GWL with an old merc on it not for sale but has not seen the water in years.

Berzerko yes that is it thanks for the pic :) that brings back some great memories. between that boat and the Chimento's Donzi dealership on my lake I know when the bug for fast v boats started. When and where was that picture taken for some reason I thought the boat had roman numerals for the 3 but it was a long time ago and the 80's may have damaged my long term memory LOL.

Not sure where the pic came from, found it in my searches
You should snap a pic of the one sitting, most likely rotting before its lost
Here's a few vids I took yesterday... The way this boat handles never ceases to amaze me.
Hats off to George for designing such an versitile craft


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09Qaz...e_gdata_player



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLxjY...e_gdata_player

awesome thread
 

hey all, i miss my '77 challenger terribly, got to find another now. anyone know of one for sale? would also consider shadow or activator...
thanx
Tim

my 21 superboat 1978

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...asota/82-1.jpg

http://www.screamandfly.com/gallery/...y-run&cat=3217 This is Bazerkos boat when I owned it,with 300xs.

Jeff, Don't you still have yours??? ( And a 30' Superboat...And an STV... And a...Etc :) )

yes i do the 21 is the first one build , the 30 ft superboat is for sale now the euro is gone jeff

hin's are krg for jersey challengers and shadows and i think chc for LI boats
running yami power on it now and could not be happier
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/...nger/bobby.jpg

I remember that Bermuda boat, I think Steve Defeo sent that boat to Bermuda and I think he co drove it in a race there. I also think that was a boat with a notch transom, I drove one on greenwood lake when they built it. At that time Steve worked at Image and he brought it to greenwood lake. The boat really did not run well as rigged that day, would not Carry the bow at all.

Of course all of the twin boats ran cleavers, lots of stern lift, little to no bow lift, not to mention most had some weight in the bow. Counter rotating lowers just locked the boats in, (in a good way of course). The twin boats ran like freight trains flat and fast, actually handled better in my opinion than the single boats. so much power and speed there was no need to hang them, they just powered through anything! The twin boats were awesome. Werner Kuenzle had a SB that he rigged with twins on brackets, actually the boat did not like the brackets at all. Ran 92 all day.

Between you and Rich, I'm getting a real education here!

First Bermuda Boat was all white...had no steps and no notched transom and I don't think Steve was involved with it at all. The buyer was a blond guy who raced it as a replacement for his earlier original Challenger. Sorry I forgot his name after all these years but he was at the NY boat show repeatedly. Sreve may have gone to Bermuda with a later boat, but I don't recall that either. Steve was out of Image before George and I left so I would have been directly involved with any 21's he delivered.

What kind of boat did I just buy?
 

Hey there all. Hopefully I am posting this in the right forum as I just signed up!

I just purchased what I was told by the previous owner is a 1983 Challenger 21. Although the boat had been in his family since new he appears to have not known much about the make.

I think I have a 1983 Hammond Challenger 2100. It originally had a Mercury that was replaced in 1988 with a Yamaha 2.6L (which I am also learning about and think it is a 225HP Unit). I have seen MKII and Sport used as a sub model and I am not sure what this unit is. The seller used a serial number of J01520 for the boat (this is not the REG #) but it makes no sense nor can I find it anywhere on the boat. I am unable to post a pic at this time but the boat is White/Blue Stripe/White Hull and looks like the Challenger 2100's I am finding online.

Any help is greatly appreciated in trying to figure out what I own. THANKS!!!! Ryan

My 1976-77 now.....

http://i59.tinypic.com/287dv2t.jpg

Hi Rich,
Wow, so many years ago, amazing that we remember any of this. I think the boat with the transom notch that I speak of and drove on greenwood lake was gray, although that was a rather common color for image shadows back then. I think it was Steve who brought it up, we even tried some of my props on it. Somehow I even think George was there that day, as I say, so many years ago :)

Rich,
Yes Steve left before you and George. The cove marina was closed down and for all purposes a wreck. Bob who is JR's brother had tried with no success to build condos on the property, he knocked down the storage buildings on the rear of the property. Steve and George then leased it from JR's family and started to operate it.

We stopped using the Challenger name and stopped making them in 1980 or early '81. By the Time the Shadow Cat came out The Challenger 21's were no more. After that we called them Shadows and changed the deck and added a notched transom. The only 1983 "Challengers" would have been made in Canada and licensed by George.

The boat you are thinking of was one of two we built for the NY boat show. It was definitely a Shadow and it had both a notched transom and a step about 60" forward of the transom. We testedit in boath fresh and Salt water to assure that we had a complete understanding of the various step configurations we tried...none of them improved speed...in fact we lost a bit...and the handling was worse than the standard hulls (*slippery" rear ends in hard turns).[ATTACH=CONFIG]529459[/ATTACH]]