Hell of a deal on a Tiger?
01-23-2014 | 05:26 PM
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notched 89 TG
hey guys a little 
but this could be had for less than 100k so rumor has it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ysG_IMRJyE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReMbDUgfXF4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN60fFeXDWU
more than a bit less
but this could be had for less than 100k so rumor has it:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ysG_IMRJyE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReMbDUgfXF4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN60fFeXDWU
more than a bit less
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01-23-2014 | 06:19 PM
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Here is a 525 42 Tiger with 60 hours on rebuilds for $105K ask, says next Cig to sell, maybe offer $85K????
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2001...s#.UuEr8q8o6Uk
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2001...s#.UuEr8q8o6Uk
01-23-2014 | 07:08 PM
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As someone who is WAY upside down in a used boat, let me add some perspective.
It's just about impossible to determine the price on a performance boat based on past sales. These are not used cars where you can use condition, mileage and options as a baseline. These boats are custom designed to an original owners specs and the condition can vary widely. You really have to take each boat as a case by case basis. "Is this boat worth $X to me?" "Will I receive $X amount of enjoyment out of this boat?"
These boats are a very emotional purchase, maybe the most emotional purchase out there. No one needs a performance boat. Most of the used boats that languish on the market do so because they haven't pulled at anyones heart strings, because the right buyer hasn't come along. Just like there are plenty of boats that seem like good deals and sit around, there are plenty of boats that seemed way overpriced (to me) but sold right away because they found the right buyer. These boats are very unique, if you find the boat that is exactly what you want you have to pay what the owner is asking.
Anyone who is shopping for a "deal" on a performance boat is completely missing the point because the purchase price can easily end up being the cheapest part of ownership. It is really easy to start with a boat that only needs a little love, and end up sinking $100k into it. This hobby is full of guys who passed up on their dream boat because they found a "deal", only to end up spending even more money in the end on a boat that they still don't really even like.
Anytime you sink money into upgrading or customizing a boat, you have to know that you are never getting that money back. But that isn't the point- the point is now you have exactly what YOU want. Just because someone is willing to sell their boat cheap does that mean that is all your upgraded or customized boat is worth. Nope. Because somewhere out there is a guy who wants exactly what you want, and will give you a reasonable price for your boat and still come out way ahead than if he tried to do it himself. In the meantime, stop worrying about what your boats are worth and get out and enjoy them.
It's just about impossible to determine the price on a performance boat based on past sales. These are not used cars where you can use condition, mileage and options as a baseline. These boats are custom designed to an original owners specs and the condition can vary widely. You really have to take each boat as a case by case basis. "Is this boat worth $X to me?" "Will I receive $X amount of enjoyment out of this boat?"
These boats are a very emotional purchase, maybe the most emotional purchase out there. No one needs a performance boat. Most of the used boats that languish on the market do so because they haven't pulled at anyones heart strings, because the right buyer hasn't come along. Just like there are plenty of boats that seem like good deals and sit around, there are plenty of boats that seemed way overpriced (to me) but sold right away because they found the right buyer. These boats are very unique, if you find the boat that is exactly what you want you have to pay what the owner is asking.
Anyone who is shopping for a "deal" on a performance boat is completely missing the point because the purchase price can easily end up being the cheapest part of ownership. It is really easy to start with a boat that only needs a little love, and end up sinking $100k into it. This hobby is full of guys who passed up on their dream boat because they found a "deal", only to end up spending even more money in the end on a boat that they still don't really even like.
Anytime you sink money into upgrading or customizing a boat, you have to know that you are never getting that money back. But that isn't the point- the point is now you have exactly what YOU want. Just because someone is willing to sell their boat cheap does that mean that is all your upgraded or customized boat is worth. Nope. Because somewhere out there is a guy who wants exactly what you want, and will give you a reasonable price for your boat and still come out way ahead than if he tried to do it himself. In the meantime, stop worrying about what your boats are worth and get out and enjoy them.
01-24-2014 | 12:16 AM
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Hell of a deal
...and sometime you think you`re getting a steal of a deal and all the boat needs is a few 'finishing' touches and it turns out it needs pretty much everything redone and then some. Then you realize you could have bought a boat twice at the price and one much newer and you could have saved your self a $hitload of stress and hundreds of man hours and been ahead by a mile... ask me how I know.
Actually please don`t.
Actually please don`t.
01-24-2014 | 07:31 AM
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Or you can get a survey, go over it with a fine tooth comb, and if everything checks out, buy it, and you got yourself a deal.
Here is the other side of this whole deal that nobody else is thinking about. When a boat is a little rough around the edges, and is very low priced because of it, a guy who can do a lot of his own work can swing in. At that point he can fluff and buff it, run it for a year, and most likely get all of his money back out of it. I might think different than most of you because I have had 6 boats in 8 years of owning boats, so I never keep my boats and have to be very, very careful what I buy or I will end up keeping it like a lot of people on here.
Here is the other side of this whole deal that nobody else is thinking about. When a boat is a little rough around the edges, and is very low priced because of it, a guy who can do a lot of his own work can swing in. At that point he can fluff and buff it, run it for a year, and most likely get all of his money back out of it. I might think different than most of you because I have had 6 boats in 8 years of owning boats, so I never keep my boats and have to be very, very careful what I buy or I will end up keeping it like a lot of people on here.
01-24-2014 | 08:04 AM
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As someone who is WAY upside down in a used boat, let me add some perspective.
It's just about impossible to determine the price on a performance boat based on past sales. These are not used cars where you can use condition, mileage and options as a baseline. These boats are custom designed to an original owners specs and the condition can vary widely. You really have to take each boat as a case by case basis. "Is this boat worth $X to me?" "Will I receive $X amount of enjoyment out of this boat?"
These boats are a very emotional purchase, maybe the most emotional purchase out there. No one needs a performance boat. Most of the used boats that languish on the market do so because they haven't pulled at anyones heart strings, because the right buyer hasn't come along. Just like there are plenty of boats that seem like good deals and sit around, there are plenty of boats that seemed way overpriced (to me) but sold right away because they found the right buyer. These boats are very unique, if you find the boat that is exactly what you want you have to pay what the owner is asking.
Anyone who is shopping for a "deal" on a performance boat is completely missing the point because the purchase price can easily end up being the cheapest part of ownership. It is really easy to start with a boat that only needs a little love, and end up sinking $100k into it. This hobby is full of guys who passed up on their dream boat because they found a "deal", only to end up spending even more money in the end on a boat that they still don't really even like.
Anytime you sink money into upgrading or customizing a boat, you have to know that you are never getting that money back. But that isn't the point- the point is now you have exactly what YOU want. Just because someone is willing to sell their boat cheap does that mean that is all your upgraded or customized boat is worth. Nope. Because somewhere out there is a guy who wants exactly what you want, and will give you a reasonable price for your boat and still come out way ahead than if he tried to do it himself. In the meantime, stop worrying about what your boats are worth and get out and enjoy them.
It's just about impossible to determine the price on a performance boat based on past sales. These are not used cars where you can use condition, mileage and options as a baseline. These boats are custom designed to an original owners specs and the condition can vary widely. You really have to take each boat as a case by case basis. "Is this boat worth $X to me?" "Will I receive $X amount of enjoyment out of this boat?"
These boats are a very emotional purchase, maybe the most emotional purchase out there. No one needs a performance boat. Most of the used boats that languish on the market do so because they haven't pulled at anyones heart strings, because the right buyer hasn't come along. Just like there are plenty of boats that seem like good deals and sit around, there are plenty of boats that seemed way overpriced (to me) but sold right away because they found the right buyer. These boats are very unique, if you find the boat that is exactly what you want you have to pay what the owner is asking.
Anyone who is shopping for a "deal" on a performance boat is completely missing the point because the purchase price can easily end up being the cheapest part of ownership. It is really easy to start with a boat that only needs a little love, and end up sinking $100k into it. This hobby is full of guys who passed up on their dream boat because they found a "deal", only to end up spending even more money in the end on a boat that they still don't really even like.
Anytime you sink money into upgrading or customizing a boat, you have to know that you are never getting that money back. But that isn't the point- the point is now you have exactly what YOU want. Just because someone is willing to sell their boat cheap does that mean that is all your upgraded or customized boat is worth. Nope. Because somewhere out there is a guy who wants exactly what you want, and will give you a reasonable price for your boat and still come out way ahead than if he tried to do it himself. In the meantime, stop worrying about what your boats are worth and get out and enjoy them.
Well said Rich and I'm right there with you as far as being upside down in a boat. BUT, when it's done, everything in and on it will be new and exactly the way I want it. Will it sell for what I have in it? NO. But, will it sell for more than what other 37 OL are going for that don't have new paint, new wiring, new engines, new cabin, new drives, new interior (well you get the picture) yes it will. You just have to tell the buyers to go look at a few of the non-updated or partially updated 37's first and then look at a complete make-over......they will see the difference quickly. And, as long as they understand what it cost to achieve a full makeover, they will come out WAY ahead of trying to buy one cheap and fix it up. Sorry for the hijack.
01-24-2014 | 08:20 AM
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I'm not going to dive into the pissing match, but I will play devil's advocate here...
A lot of people like the fact that a product hasn't evolved too much. Look at the old Porsche 911, other than a few changes, a 1969 has the same basic appearance and shape as a 1990+. They are still sought after for that classic look. The TG is not all that dissimilar in this regard... it has a timeless appeal.
For this same reason the resale in the used market remains strong for these boats. New buyers still like the classic look, while at the same time someone at the bottom end of the market can buy a 1989 and at least in their mind (and most of the general publics mind), he has the same exact boat as the guy with the new model. Not the same boat, but they do have the same basic look so the market is stronger than it otherwise would be when compared to some other company that constantly changes and evolves their look and technology. In the later case, the value of the older models can get driven down quickly because it they look dated (compared to the latest and greatest) very quickly.
So sometimes lack of evolution isn't always a bad thing. How many TG's have been sold over the years? I'm not a huge fan of them (since there are 10 or more on every dock), but you can't argue there isn't demand for them... and mostly for that classic look and appear.
Anyway, just an observation.
A lot of people like the fact that a product hasn't evolved too much. Look at the old Porsche 911, other than a few changes, a 1969 has the same basic appearance and shape as a 1990+. They are still sought after for that classic look. The TG is not all that dissimilar in this regard... it has a timeless appeal.
For this same reason the resale in the used market remains strong for these boats. New buyers still like the classic look, while at the same time someone at the bottom end of the market can buy a 1989 and at least in their mind (and most of the general publics mind), he has the same exact boat as the guy with the new model. Not the same boat, but they do have the same basic look so the market is stronger than it otherwise would be when compared to some other company that constantly changes and evolves their look and technology. In the later case, the value of the older models can get driven down quickly because it they look dated (compared to the latest and greatest) very quickly.
So sometimes lack of evolution isn't always a bad thing. How many TG's have been sold over the years? I'm not a huge fan of them (since there are 10 or more on every dock), but you can't argue there isn't demand for them... and mostly for that classic look and appear.
Anyway, just an observation.
Like Harley, Ford Trucks, Marlboro, Cig has great brand recognition (the best in performance boats) but companies like OL are reinventing the game. Look at a 1998 37 Stiletto, safe to say you would never confuse that boat with any OL built in the last 5 years........constant evolution.
01-24-2014 | 08:32 AM
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The NT and Powerplay statements were two brands that Adam has or does currently own, so I was simply teasing him on a personal level, he's a friend of mine. I'm a fan of both of those brand.....for what it's worth. Reading your Cigarette comments in these forums over the years, it's obvious that you don't like the taste of Cigarette Cool Aid as you rarely have anything positive to say about them, so most of us on this thread are already behind the eight ball with you from the get go, but that's cool... To each his own.
gotcha on the PP/NT reference, I didn't realize it was specifically pointed at 302....
I like Cigs, would never give Skip a penny for a new one but I like Phil's work and appreciate the brand. Some of the most awesome builds in recent years were Cigs (AM2, Rum Runner, Helios, any of the Marauders etc). But I haven't seen a 38/39 in a few years that was a showstopper like the stuff build in the TAOD years. Phil built a couple 42X's that were awesome but the last few Miami Show boats built were nothing special (38/39/42).
I think a 520/565 powered TG/Tiger with timeless paint could be a boat you could enjoy for 5+ years and not get killed in maintenance/drives. Of course mine would have the "logo delete" package!
.......one on each side, one on sunpad and that's it!.......None on each gauge, every seat, battery plates, handles, cabin pillows, cabin walls, toilet lid, swim platform, cooler, fuse panel or anywhere else they could possibly put one!
