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[QUOTE=cigrocket;4245839]I agree the technology is better and it has evolved. It wan't too long ago, that if you ran 70+ and didn't break you were king.
Lighter Layups, vacuum bagged, steps, notches, it all makes a difference. I cant believe no fountain guys have chimed in about steps.

:food-smiley-007: no need you cig guys ran with this one.:angry-smiley-044: I'm a big fan of the TS hull Cig or Fountain :)

since when was there a 3k difference in hull weight from a straight to a ts. you're smokin some good stuff if you think there is only 4-5% gains on a ts lmao. without naming names i will tell you about a 9500 lb 38 straight bottom with 750 hp that doesn't go 80 and another straight 650 package that i clocked with gps at 71. please tell me where i'm going wrong here. earlier when you got your pants in a wad over me comparing my ol to my first 92 tg, i was simply trying to show the difference in step technology. i was fully aware that it wasn't cig to cig. the ol was a single step old tech. 9200 lb boat that ran well into the 90's with 600 dyno hp. when the boat had 500's in it, it ran 84. i would call it a good comparable to the cig. i'm giving you real world hp #'s and speed #'s on many different models, not sure why you are so conflicted with what i am saying. i have absolutely nothing to prove. the op wants real numbers, here they are. maybe you just wish there was only 4% difference in your straight bottom compared to a ts, if that where the case then the market would be a lot stronger on the straight bottoms wouldn't it? i too have a straight bottom and wish it was as fast as a ts boat but it isn't, however it will be faster that a standard gun being that it's carbon and a high x ssm boat.

cigrockets boat runs into the low 90's with 500 efi's what's that 25% faster

Just to be fair my 500s make about 570HP, however my transom has no notch like the guns. Maybe I could achieve a little with extension boxes.

i just read you what the cigarette magazine claims for a t/s boat. 9900 pounds. my owners manual for the flat bottom gun says 12,500 dry weight. guess you will have to take that up with cigarette.

your buddy with the 650's should learn how to drive because our boat with 500efis (470 hp) with 4 people just about touches 70 maybe 68-69. sorry. i have GPS to confirm it.


Yet another sub 10k boat. Ok...we are back to comparing weight and not steps.

3 flat bottom cigarettes just sold in the past week. must be a weak market. and to clarify, i am not arguing the t/s boats are 10% faster...but that is inclusive of being lighter, etc. it just doesnt have to do with steps.

you sure because cig92 doesnt like comparing boats of equal power or weight.

i feel warmer after seeing those temps,,only 11°

btw,,If you guys didn't know,,Herbie and I are good friends.

your getting great speed out of your boat,,nice.

I think everyone is entitled to their opinions, I don't think attacking each other is accomplishing anything. I know it's -8 outside and everyone is sick of winter..lol