I do understand its all marketing and its a brand with great recognition, etc. They still build nice boats. Not bashing. But I do find it silly a company can call itself Cigarette Racing and not race at all!

I believe Phil Lipship won in 2001 with the twin step top gun.

Who have been the big winners since then?

^^^^^Well, world has gotten worse. With easy to get, decent looking vinyl graphics now-a-days, every other import and old POS truck around here has some sort of made up personal or small group racing decal across the top of their front windshield and/or rear window.

In response to every 30ft and up boat being a 'Cigarette', take it in stride. I had a outdrive in my office here for almost a year. Atleast 9 out of 10 people asked either 'what kind of motor is that' or 'when are you going to install that motor." Worst part is, more than half of those people had to give me input on what was wrong with their car and how we should fix it. We are a lake front resort community.

That is fact !

Here we go...winter starting early.

I presume the company was named when don basically crushed the vast majority of races and records (since and before) the company was founded in 69. Trade marked. Name is what it is. There's boating companies with far less racing lineage than cig that use world champion or racing in their names. Whatever.

Cry babies :Whatever::champs:

I am thinking all Fountain owners should have their emblems changed to: Worlds Fastest V or World Champion, or at least Cat Killer.... LOL

Phil won the world champions in 01 in the F2 class running one of the 4 F2 boats built. Tres raced and won but I'm not sure if he won the world champions in either the virgin gladiator or TS gun.

Since then there's been cig race boats (the don on here is one example), unleashed gladiator raced for a while and there was the bell and Ross / smash poker custom built 45 cig race boat for P1 overseas recently.

It's not that people haven't raced cigs through the past 10 years or so, it's the lack of cigarette factory backing - they (skip) doesn't do it. It's a pit to throw money into and he does just as good if not better marketing his product in other ways. The old days of watch a race on the weekend, buy that boat the next week that is greatly the point of road, off-road, street bike etc racing is a thing of the past for the boating community. Poker runs took over.

Now you want to talk about marketing, skip and cig are all over poker runs. That's where the money is. I guess they could change the name to world class poker run boats. But considering cigarette racing team is trade marked and a world renowned and recognized insignia and name - Changing it would be rather daft.

Or Skank Patrol.......Skank Killer

Yup, forget about them.

Fountain still identified themselves as "the worlds fastest production boat". Just sayin.

1998 top gun wins sbi world championship
1999 top gun wins New York grand prix against 19 other boats
2000 top gun wins national championship and world championship
2001 36 gladiator wins sbi race, also won national and world championships
2002 Cigarette sold to Skip and think he stops the factory racing, 46 wins power boats v-bottom of the year
2005 39

SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING : Owning a Fountain can be hazardous, you will never stop smoking Cigarette's

not trying to be a smart ass but were the fountains considered production boats? I know cigarettes claim to fame is no two cigarettes are a like...which I think is pretty cool.

Um... Profile had that same claim... so ................. Also claiming is one thing... Actually being it is another. And Cigarette was a production boat company, just as much as Fountain

I think some of the cig guys want some of those fountain skanks. They keep bringing them up in the discussion. Lol

don't think I've ever seen the same paint on cig's....fountains all rock similar if not identical paint.

Thats because you usually see them with only guys in their boats....LOL

Well I do have to admit, Cigarette is the eponymous of all offshore boats so that is saying something.

Boat is red and white? Tell them Marlboro makes it so you can race it in the Cigarette Offshore Series. :D

I haven't seen them use that logo in years. They were a World Champion in like 2000 or 2001 in a single engine class 32 Dominator. It wasn't a factory team but the factory may have helped them. It was a cool logo but once their line of CC's came out they went to a Sunsation script logo instead since CC's and Offshore Racing don't really go together.

Every boat built by cigarette is bought and paid for before it leaves the factory. Every color, detail is picked out by the future owner, right down to the stitching on the seats. Every boat is a "custom boat" built to the customers taste. I'm not sure how fountain ran their business but I know they built and floor planned a lot of unsold boats.

Wow you Cig boys sure some something :bong::bong: I have seen the same paint on several cigs, and you wanna tell me that Lip-Ship never floor planned any cigs LOL :Whatever:

Bananarama`s Cig hating is at a 9.5 right now.
You ok buddy? Nobody said anything bad about that sweet 38' Fointain you got.. :D

Lipship makes the boats much more custom than the factory does, which is the complete opposite of production. I never said a custom boat was better than a production boat, it's just built to the customers taste. You fountain boys are just very assuming.

Ha! Good guess.
I`m gonna use that one.


http://33outlaw.zenfolio.com/img/s6/...13152095-2.jpg

Well, at least Cig is still "producing" lol

you seem to be the butthurt one here.... show me 2 cigs with same paint.... oh yea.... PAINT not decals.....

This Chica wanted to go to my Fountain last week and Have sex ( without even putting the boat in the water) :kiss:

That's because she's seen so many Fountains with her bikini splashed down the side!
Yep, many Fountains have the same paint.

RR

P.S. Sounds like a nice bird, save your fuel $$$

They all sink the same way.

look in the for sale cigs on here, there is two on there ... red white red.,

try to be a little civil around here and get your face bitten off!!! Holy smokes.

From factory no two cigarettes are the same. The red and white boats you reference did not come from factory like that. Well one might have but the other did not. Notice one is a 1994. That pint scheme wasn't even around back then.

In the interest of historical accuracy, I believe Al had 4 td's in one game. Here is a link for proof. I would hate to short my Chicago neighbors.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...D710A65EBD6109

Tjay - former motorcycle roadracer, daddy of 5 yr old, driver of the mini van of sport boats. Hence my absolute sincerity in setting the record straight on this point.

He's butthurt it's ok.... haha

I don't know why. No one was bashing fountain. For me personally fountain is synonymous with formula in terms of production where as cigarette is synonymous with say Outerlimits. Again not comparing speed, history, etc...just manufacturing and production settings. And not trying to bash the brand. Is that a fair assessment? What the hell do I know I own a 20 year old boat!!!

Mines 30 years old... lol, but I can say it's never been redone, or even had a transom due to a good build quality... rock solid..

Yeah but Fountains will always be just a little taller with the nose bobbing in the water! :D

This wasn't always the case. Hideaway had a hideous Gladiator for years on their floorplan (it was the one DollaBill rammed into a toll plaza). Phil redid the boat years later. Pier 57 (the original, not Chicago) had that Silver 42X with the red tribal for atleast 2,5 years on its floorplan. I am pretty sure both that Texas dealer and the LOTO dealer both floorplan Cigs today......just now it is one or two at a time.

Fountain had dozens of dealers, Cig had maybe 1/2 dozen at any given time (US dealers) so naturally there were a lot more Fountains out there, many identical.

What's the gladiator vs toll booth story?