When comparing a new Cig:
Phil paints the oval dark grey......check
Phil puts his Lipship logo anywhere there is no Cig logo......check
Phil charges extra.....check :D

To be fair, Phil does a great job with the brand new or used. If I ever bought a Cig, I would rather a Phil redone one than a new one from Skip!

One of my favorite things about the Lauderdale boat show was seeing the new boat that Phil brought to the show. Purple Haze 42X still comes to mind even almost 10 years later. Seeing what he does with older boats is simply show stopping.

Floor plan or not I am guessing they were paid for in full prior to delivery?

Borrowed boat....Somehow towing it through the toll plaza the side of the boat made contact with the concrete toll plaza. It looked like hard dock rash but just in the wrong place. Boat had goofy colors/paint scheme only a Tony Montana Cuban could love which is why it was so hard to sell new. This is the boat today: http://lipship.com/used_boats/view/56

Funny you say that.......the last three Hideaway boats (42 triple 525s, 39 TG triple 600's and the Gladiator) were somewhat dumped on them and I don't know that they were indeed paid for. Cig was retaliating against them for becoming an Outerlimits dealer at the time. So by dropping off the 3 ugly ducklings it was a message.....sell these or you won't get any more. Hideaway was simply running the boats in poker runs, hoping to sell them to somebody.

For the record, they became the last 3 Cigs sold by Hideaway. They moved onto OL and then later Sunsation. They sold 4-5 of the 43 ft F4's back when that boat was new. They even built a bright blue/copper one that looked almost identical to an OL 46 Limited they sold previously to a huge NE car dealer. That boat was never paid for and "disappeared" halfway back to Michigan......found on road hard stripped.

Things were getting "dicey" at the end. Private investors "thought" they were 1st place mortgage holders, liens not getting paid off on trade ins, one 44 GTX even had 2 titles (one for the new owner, one for the bank).

Once upon a time in a galaxy far far away, there were real offshore racers that actually raced offshore..........

And so the story begins.

The original races were from point to point, like Miami to Nassau, or Cowes to Torquay or Long Beach to San Francisco. Think in the same era of the fins on cars, late 50's early 60's. Most of the boats of that period were pretty un-seaworthy at any kind of speed,

But the racers took them over the horizon and the legends grew, Someone sank, another boat caught fire, another crew was stranded all night on a remote Bahamas island. These races were getting a lot of attention in the press and with the boating public, so the manufacturers decided to try their hand at making boats and engines that could survive and thrive in real open ocean crossings. It was also the era of fiberglass. No longer dependent on wood for the construction of boats anymore, some builders reached out to embrace the new technology and the glass boat was born and baptized in a fire storm of offshore racing.

A giant of a man was wining everything, Sam Griffith. He won the Miami to Nassau race so many times they were going to name it after him. He drove the first deep vee hull with Richard Bertram to a victory that was hours faster than the previous record.
Sam was WWII vet who was a full bird Colonel and survived a parachute drop where the parachute didn't open. He was the man behind the Miami to Palm Beach boat race up the Intracoastal. He drove a 3 point hydro in that race.

Time marched on and Sam was diagnosed with cancer and passed on in the early 70;s. Everyone wanted to honor him, so John Crouse, the PR man and boating writer of the time, created a World Championship with the winner getting the title of World Champion and winning the Sam Griffith award. He was also granted the right to use the number 1 on his boat for the following racing season.

BUT.....you had to race all over the world to win enough points to win the title. You took your little boat and raced against other racers in Europe and South America and the Bahamas and both sides of the USA and the Great Lakes too. Yes, it did cost a lot of money to do this, but many people stepped up to the plate and participated. When you see the photo of Don Aronow flying his 32 foot Cary called The Cigarette. That photo was taken in the Bahamas 500 miles race. Don won the World Championship for 1969 that year. How did he do it? To start, he had 4 boats made up and he took three of them and placed them at various spots around the world, so he could just fly to the next race. One boat for the east coast of the USA and the Bahamas, one boat for the West Coast and the races into Mexico and third boat placed in Europe with a land team consisting of Knocky House and Don's son Michael, who would travel all over Europe with the boat and have it ready when Don arrived for the next race.The fourth boat stayed in Florida as a spare in case one of the other boats was destroyed in a race.

That lasted until the mid 70's's when Bob Nordskog thought it would be better if each country qualified their top drivers and send them to the final race to be held at the end of each year, at a new location. As he was APBA President, he could pull it off. The first WC race was in 1977 in Key West and Betty Cook won it, the 1978 race was held in Argentina and Francesco Cosentino, an Italian won that. In 1979 the race was held in Venice, Italy and Betty Cook won again and ..... the 1980 the race went to Australia and was won by Michel Menard.

A few years later the sport included Super Boats to replace Open Class. Super Boats were allowed to have up to 4 engines. Sweet kiss goodbye to everyone.... as only the very rich could afford these boats and the top class dropped down from maybe 25 or 30 Open boats racing for the top prize..... to maybe 3 or 4 of the new Super Boats. But even though there was no competition and the rules even allowed boats to compete at the last race of the year even if they had not raced anywhere else all year......the winners still wanted to be called WORLD CHAMPIONS.

So there you have the story of WORLD CHAMPION. That is how the title started and was fought for all over the world, but it evolved to a shadow of the sport .......that now operated on harbors and small lakes and rivers.

It is like comparing a big game hunt in Africa, to shooting for the stuffed animal at a carnival in your hometown. Both events use guns, but one is a bit more challenging than the other.

Thanks Top Banana for clearing that up for all the misinformed people out there who don't know the true history behind the boats they own.

Cig, or fountain both great boats ,just different .Like Marshall,s and Fender,s both great amp,s just sound different.

cigarettes...often imitated never duplicated. World champs!!!!

That would be Mr. Bush I believe

Prefer your spelling....

BTW, I presume you all know Mr Bush's choice of boat........ A Fountain!

RR

Not..................

Like Top Banana posted. The real offshore "World Champions" raced around the country and around the world in all conditions. Since then the sport has become diluted with multiple sanctioning bodies who each hold their own raced under different rules with closed courses for the spectators and sponsors. The true offshore classes have been replaced with "P" classes which were started on the divisional level to get new racers into the sport. They have now taken over. Not to say that it isn't good racing but not true offshore racing with bracketed speeds and GPS's determining who won or lost.

It is cool to see a few boats from Europe coming over here to race in Key West.

I think he had a 34 cc and later upgraded to a 38. Anyone know more?

His earlier boats were Cigs...

Yeah, you're right, just found a couple of him on old Cigs. Probably back in the days when they were world champions coincidentally!

The Fountains came later for his little fishing trips.

RR

Easy on the Kool Aid.

Did he not have a 28' cig converted to a CC OB?

There is only one number "1"...Hahaha. :)

What kool aid?

World champions at 1 time maybe. But like to OP said.. When is the last time they were actually world Champs. I have not seen too many world Champ Cigs anywhere. Lots of fountains still winning the races. Why does the Cig dealership race mystics or mti or whatever they race??? Because.. I don't know. The cig is a v bottom.. They should be racing V bottom cigs in my humble opinion.

https://youtu.be/0ntMluaKA_c bush on his fountain

I am a x open class superbike racer and almost won a championship. 2nd by a few points. It's not all about winning. It's about respect from your piers and enjoying the trills and fellowship of racing. My fountain was world champ in 1999. So it deserves the badge. And it is on the deck as a respectful memento... I am going to ghost in the F2 15 racing number in pearl some day.

I don't think he ordered any more Cigs after Don sold the company in 1982.

Bayliner Racing. Nuff said!

OOPS.....:poopoo:

Cigs doing something right.... Still making boats today....

There is no money in racing. If the company owner/Dealer Owner is racing the company races (EGO's). Reggie and Don raced their own boats. Later Halter raced Cigarettes along with Craig Barrie and Philly and Dick Simon. When they got out of racing the company stopped racing. Most people have no clue what it costs to prepare and campaign an offshore boat. When Skip bought Cigarette his focus was Poker Running which some would say is a good idea and good marketing, I agree. Not to many actual pro classes out there for big "V"'s anymore. None of the "V" Extreme boats are factory built out of the mold boats

Just some info from the back of Sea Race which only covers from 1956- 1987. Cigarette had a total of 192 wins. The next closest boat was Cougar with 96 wins. Formula had 29 wins and Scarab had 46. In the years Cig was really big into racing which looks like 71-78 if you added up all the other manafacturer total wins together they'd barely equal Cigarette.

Do you mean Fountain.......................................... .................................................. ......^ in one of these

1967, World and US Championship- Aronow in a Magnum
1968, US- Aronow in a Magnum.
1969, World and US- Aronow in a Cary called The Cigarette.
'71, World and U.S. Championship were both won by a Cigarette.
'72, World and US- Cig.
'73, World and US-Cig.
'74, World and US- Cig
'75, US- Cig
'76, World- Cig
'78, World- Cig
'80, US- Cig
'81, World- Cig
'82, US- Cig

looks like a #1 world champ to me

I thought I learned on this site that nothing compared to APACHE?

Kinda like DCB racing...with the exception of Defrees, I believe he raced an F34. However they do push the limits of pleasure boats in their form. From the Mach 22 to the M41, they have been top notch...given they are more of a west coast style.

There, I fixed it...and that is meant as a compliment somehow!

From Fountain's current website:

ROUGH WATER DOMINATION: We’ve notched more World and National championships than the world’s largest 100 boat builders combined. From Key west to New York City to California we’ve conquered every racecourse and left the competition in our wake.

SMOOTH WATER DOMINATION: We’ve broken our own world V-bottom speed record nine times and we currently own every twin-engine V-bottom world speed record.

This thread is still going?
 

Jesus, It`s a trade marked logo , time to get over it.

Let`s move on to the next great injustice of CocaCola and why it`s still called that when it hasn`t had Cocaine in it since 1902! :popcorn:

Again nice boats. Its just B.S. to claim to be a racing company and not compete though.

Cigarette though did something worse, guess their heritage doesn't help them build a race boat. Had to get Skater to do it!!

Its funny, the whole cig thing. I live out west so ive never actually even seen one , but the fanatasisim kind of reminds me of the vdub and harley guys. The following is huge so obviously they are great boats, that being said , do they really need 25 logos on the boat to tell you they are numero uno. :party-smiley-004:

Maybe they charge by the logo and thats why there is so many and the boats cost so much.... just a theory. ... go on

25 logos? WTF you been? I bet they have 25 on the dash alone! :D

Look at the new 2016 39 TG unlimited in the classifieds......that thing has to have 45+ logos on it! :eek:

Thanks for the update.......now I'll get a Pepsi tomorrow!