Outerlimits / Eliminator SV29
03-20-2016 | 10:31 AM
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OL's - OL 29 is resin infused and externally painted - not sure of core material. I've seen OL claim they have an "autoclave", but from what I can tell it's an oven. Hull design from a winning SVL boat.
Lavey 28 Evo - is most often foam cored, vacuum bagged and gel coated. Its really the only other sit down V in the OL's length range that offers that same or very close speed per HP. Hull design from a winning SVL boat.
The Ol is a very fast boat indeed but hard to tell exactly how fast with a merc 600 as its often modified when it is claimed to be stock- As Shueman points out. Im pretty sure that was the boat Dustin Whipple claims he didnt touch (maybe he didnt but someone sure did) maybe its a diff boat. OL does this a lot, they did this in a magazine test of various 40 footer comparison.
The Lavey is also very fast and stable - you wont find any wings mounted on them like Peter did to his boat which i suspect is a byproduct of the Indy more than the OL- It has run in the high 120's. Look at it run with this Nor Tec Cat in Germany. Horrible Vid - but you get the idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ9wH9fTu2U
As stated I doubt you'd be spending much time down there but the OL is a "friendlier " and more useable in that you can get to the front through the cockpit, in the Evo its blocked off and you can only get to the bow storage from the outside.
Evo has a canopy and can have several options from open top to removable (like a hard top convertible) to electrically actuated hard top (like an engine hatch only its the canopy top.
Whereas the OL is a windscreen boat.
Shueman can speak to the "Eliminator OL" versions specific layup details.
Fit and finish wise - Peter mentioned he sent his back some sort of paint rework, kind of hard to imagine on a simple 2 tone boat, whereas both Lavey and Eliminator gelcoat work is amazing.
As to the Fountain - not in the same league as any of the above.
UD
Lavey 28 Evo - is most often foam cored, vacuum bagged and gel coated. Its really the only other sit down V in the OL's length range that offers that same or very close speed per HP. Hull design from a winning SVL boat.
The Ol is a very fast boat indeed but hard to tell exactly how fast with a merc 600 as its often modified when it is claimed to be stock- As Shueman points out. Im pretty sure that was the boat Dustin Whipple claims he didnt touch (maybe he didnt but someone sure did) maybe its a diff boat. OL does this a lot, they did this in a magazine test of various 40 footer comparison.
The Lavey is also very fast and stable - you wont find any wings mounted on them like Peter did to his boat which i suspect is a byproduct of the Indy more than the OL- It has run in the high 120's. Look at it run with this Nor Tec Cat in Germany. Horrible Vid - but you get the idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ9wH9fTu2U
As stated I doubt you'd be spending much time down there but the OL is a "friendlier " and more useable in that you can get to the front through the cockpit, in the Evo its blocked off and you can only get to the bow storage from the outside.
Evo has a canopy and can have several options from open top to removable (like a hard top convertible) to electrically actuated hard top (like an engine hatch only its the canopy top.
Whereas the OL is a windscreen boat.
Shueman can speak to the "Eliminator OL" versions specific layup details.
Fit and finish wise - Peter mentioned he sent his back some sort of paint rework, kind of hard to imagine on a simple 2 tone boat, whereas both Lavey and Eliminator gelcoat work is amazing.
As to the Fountain - not in the same league as any of the above.
UD
The Eliminator boat was built to the EXACT SPECIFICATIONS as laid out by OL. Mike himself and representatives from Bristol were on-site during the entire layup process. The ONLY difference was gelcoat and vinylester resins; assembly was done with epoxy per OL's direction.
It is a very complex boat to build, incorporating some 16-19 molds. It has an inner liner that runs the entire length of the boat. I believe the hatch alone utilized some 5 molds. I save the other details for those that have more insights into the design concepts.
Great hull. Narrow beam, multiple steps, a bullet on the water .. will make an impressive family boat with some deck development.
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03-20-2016 | 10:46 AM
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It is a very complex boat to build, incorporating some 16-19 molds. It has an inner liner that runs the entire length of the boat. I believe the hatch alone utilized some 5 molds. I save the other details for those that have more insights into the design concepts.
Great hull. Narrow beam, multiple steps, a bullet on the water .. will make an impressive family boat with some deck development.
Great hull. Narrow beam, multiple steps, a bullet on the water .. will make an impressive family boat with some deck development.
03-20-2016 | 10:51 AM
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I still find it more interesting that eliminator won't give up the molds? We're those molds OL's assestts at the time of the company changing hands?
03-20-2016 | 10:56 AM
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400's would take some development as well. What do you do with the 32" bustle? Notch it or cut it off? The back of the hull is designed for a single I/O; barely enough width for two big Merc outboards.
A single 565 will make that boat a great cruiser ... IMO
A single 565 will make that boat a great cruiser ... IMO
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03-20-2016 | 11:02 AM
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Or are these claims of "Mold holding/theft" actually from boat owners engaging in hearsay?
I can't really tell who is who under all the screen names.
I would think if OL showed up at Eliminator doorstep with trucks demanding their IP (molds) and didnt get it we'd have all heard about this firsthand, but maybe not.
I would think the lawsuits would be flying and wed be reading about them online.
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03-20-2016 | 11:05 AM
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First nice job on the first hull, it came out great.
Second, your statement seems to imply someone will be doing more with the deck going forward. Who will be doing this work? What is the current status with the molds and ownership/licensing?
Agreed, it would be interesting to hear both sides take on current ownership or licensing agreement.
Another question, even if OL had the molds back, would they actually use them? The big guys seem to have little interest in making smaller boats these days since larger boats are much more profitable for them.
Second, your statement seems to imply someone will be doing more with the deck going forward. Who will be doing this work? What is the current status with the molds and ownership/licensing?
Another question, even if OL had the molds back, would they actually use them? The big guys seem to have little interest in making smaller boats these days since larger boats are much more profitable for them.
03-20-2016 | 11:06 AM
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Thanks Dave 
How fast do you think the Lavey Craft will be with a 565? When the Lavey Craft came out I remember I liked it a lot, and still do. Would it be possible to have a windscreen like OL / Skater use, instead of your design?
Personally I like gelcoat boats better than paint. My Phantom is 31 years old. Unfortunately it was hit by a watercraft at night when moored, and we had to repaint the entire boat. Colors and finish is great, but the paint istelf does not withstand anything... Have to be very careful around the docks.
Cheeers, Toffen
How fast do you think the Lavey Craft will be with a 565? When the Lavey Craft came out I remember I liked it a lot, and still do. Would it be possible to have a windscreen like OL / Skater use, instead of your design?
Personally I like gelcoat boats better than paint. My Phantom is 31 years old. Unfortunately it was hit by a watercraft at night when moored, and we had to repaint the entire boat. Colors and finish is great, but the paint istelf does not withstand anything... Have to be very careful around the docks.
Cheeers, Toffen
OL's - OL 29 is resin infused and externally painted - not sure of core material. I've seen OL claim they have an "autoclave", but from what I can tell it's an oven. Hull design from a winning SVL boat.
Lavey 28 Evo - is most often foam cored, vacuum bagged and gel coated. Its really the only other sit down V in the OL's length range that offers that same or very close speed per HP. Hull design from a winning SVL boat.
The Ol is a very fast boat indeed but hard to tell exactly how fast with a merc 600 as its often modified when it is claimed to be stock- As Shueman points out. Im pretty sure that was the boat Dustin Whipple claims he didnt touch (maybe he didnt but someone sure did) maybe its a diff boat. OL does this a lot, they did this in a magazine test of various 40 footer comparison.
The Lavey is also very fast and stable - you wont find any wings mounted on them like Peter did to his boat which i suspect is a byproduct of the Indy more than the OL- It has run in the high 120's. Look at it run with this Nor Tec Cat in Germany. Horrible Vid - but you get the idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ9wH9fTu2U
As stated I doubt you'd be spending much time down there but the OL is a "friendlier " and more useable in that you can get to the front through the cockpit, in the Evo its blocked off and you can only get to the bow storage from the outside.
Evo has a canopy and can have several options from open top to removable (like a hard top convertible) to electrically actuated hard top (like an engine hatch only its the canopy top.
Whereas the OL is a windscreen boat.
Shueman can speak to the "Eliminator OL" versions specific layup details.
Fit and finish wise - Peter mentioned he sent his back some sort of paint rework, kind of hard to imagine on a simple 2 tone boat, whereas both Lavey and Eliminator gelcoat work is amazing.
As to the Fountain - not in the same league as any of the above.
UD
Lavey 28 Evo - is most often foam cored, vacuum bagged and gel coated. Its really the only other sit down V in the OL's length range that offers that same or very close speed per HP. Hull design from a winning SVL boat.
The Ol is a very fast boat indeed but hard to tell exactly how fast with a merc 600 as its often modified when it is claimed to be stock- As Shueman points out. Im pretty sure that was the boat Dustin Whipple claims he didnt touch (maybe he didnt but someone sure did) maybe its a diff boat. OL does this a lot, they did this in a magazine test of various 40 footer comparison.
The Lavey is also very fast and stable - you wont find any wings mounted on them like Peter did to his boat which i suspect is a byproduct of the Indy more than the OL- It has run in the high 120's. Look at it run with this Nor Tec Cat in Germany. Horrible Vid - but you get the idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ9wH9fTu2U
As stated I doubt you'd be spending much time down there but the OL is a "friendlier " and more useable in that you can get to the front through the cockpit, in the Evo its blocked off and you can only get to the bow storage from the outside.
Evo has a canopy and can have several options from open top to removable (like a hard top convertible) to electrically actuated hard top (like an engine hatch only its the canopy top.
Whereas the OL is a windscreen boat.
Shueman can speak to the "Eliminator OL" versions specific layup details.
Fit and finish wise - Peter mentioned he sent his back some sort of paint rework, kind of hard to imagine on a simple 2 tone boat, whereas both Lavey and Eliminator gelcoat work is amazing.
As to the Fountain - not in the same league as any of the above.
UD
03-20-2016 | 11:17 AM
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Thanks Dave
How fast do you think the Lavey Craft will be with a 565? When the Lavey Craft came out I remember I liked it a lot, and still do. Would it be possible to have a windscreen like OL / Skater use, instead of your design?
Personally I like gelcoat boats better than paint. My Phantom is 31 years old. Unfortunately it was hit by a watercraft at night when moored, and we had to repaint the entire boat. Colors and finish is great, but the paint istelf does not withstand anything... Have to be very careful around the docks.
Cheeers, Toffen
How fast do you think the Lavey Craft will be with a 565? When the Lavey Craft came out I remember I liked it a lot, and still do. Would it be possible to have a windscreen like OL / Skater use, instead of your design?
Personally I like gelcoat boats better than paint. My Phantom is 31 years old. Unfortunately it was hit by a watercraft at night when moored, and we had to repaint the entire boat. Colors and finish is great, but the paint istelf does not withstand anything... Have to be very careful around the docks.
Cheeers, Toffen
I'd guess low to mid 90's with a light setup.
The canopy is what it is - any real change would require upper deck mold modifications at this point.
I've owned paint and gel boats - 20 years out my gel boats hold up way better especially in the brutal AZ sun, but thats like a ford/ chevy argument.
Sorry about your boat man, nighttime hit and runs suck the big one - as you are left holding the bag insurance, or out of pocket wise.
Have fun safe boating season.
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03-20-2016 | 11:38 AM
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5 for the hatch?!?!? trying to figure that out just real quick- 1 for a scoop, 1 for the flat part of the hatch, 1 for a brace + 2 more?
Whats the beam?
Innerlined - I would expect that from Ol (and demand that as a client of any of these boats)
UD
03-20-2016 | 11:44 AM
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And by the way Brian Forehands shop is not on the Pamlico river....it is in Wilmington Nc....the boat is routinely tested in the ocean
