The joys of buying a used six figure performance boat.
06-09-2016 | 07:49 AM
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Surveyor is ultimately at fault for not finding the repair , though I believe he can not be held liable because he was not paid for by the buyer.
I would definitely Note this Surveyor and cross him off the list though.
I would definitely Note this Surveyor and cross him off the list though.
06-09-2016 | 07:59 AM
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I was going to advertise and sell my boat last year. I slip at a marina so the test drive would not have involved launching the boat off the trailer (simply lowering the lift instead). I ended up not advertising the boat due to various reasons. Towards the end of the season in September, I trailered the boat into town to refuel as the marina would not lower their fuel price from the early season prices that were substantially higher than what street price was at the time. Upon attempting to re-launch the boat, missing y-pipe flappers resulted in water being pushed up into the engine bending the #6 rod. $9K later all is well again. Now, had I sold the boat last year most likely on the new owner's first attempt at use the same thing would have happened to them. New to them boat breaks on first attempted outing. What would have been my culpability in this case? How was I to know at some point in time the flappers shot craps and shot out the exhaust tube (they were nowhere to be found verified by camera down y-pipe)? It would have been a case of very bad luck/timing for the new owners and for me, the seller. I thought about this after stroking the repair check this spring. What would I have done? IMO, I could do nothing and be 100% in the right. Used boat, no implied warranty, buyer beware, and no knowledge of anything amiss on my part. I'm the original owner and at 400 hours, the engine still ran like new and never touched a drop of oil. However, I would have felt terrible for the new owners and would have offered to cover half the expense which appears to be close to what is happening with this particular situation. Hard to say what, if any culpability LCM has in this case. My take based on the facts provided in this case so far is little to none. Happy for the OP and can't wait to see this Nor-Tech out on LOTO this summer.
06-09-2016 | 08:57 AM
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Why was it LCM's fault? Did they represent the boat to be flawless? It's a USED boat. Is it their responsibility to go through every inch of the boat, and I mean EVERY inch since these lines of accusations can come from any issue? What happens if a part in the engine was near the end of it's life and it breaks the first time out? You gonna go back to them on that too?
Sorry, I'll be the dissenting opinion here on this thread, I don't see their culpability here unless they performed the repair which is baseless at this point. This is why there's a survey. Maybe this should have been caught, maybe it's a reasonable miss, I didn't pay for the survey and discuss the specifics of what or what wouldn't be done. Not enough info here to rush to judgement. What was the scope of work the surveyor agreed to? Could this repair pass a tap or visual test and only fail when stressed?
And I'll be the dissenting opinion here and state that I don't think it's the seller's responsibility either, what he did was above and beyond IMO. His name which is in good standing from what we can tell was brought up over the internet with an implied impropriety, it would concern me greatly and I'd probably be inclined to help out just to clear it even though it was no fault of my own. The buyer can state how he didn't accuse the seller, but we can all read between the lines. This is a real stretch to state something like this over the internet: "
Sorry, I'll be the dissenting opinion here on this thread, I don't see their culpability here unless they performed the repair which is baseless at this point. This is why there's a survey. Maybe this should have been caught, maybe it's a reasonable miss, I didn't pay for the survey and discuss the specifics of what or what wouldn't be done. Not enough info here to rush to judgement. What was the scope of work the surveyor agreed to? Could this repair pass a tap or visual test and only fail when stressed?
And I'll be the dissenting opinion here and state that I don't think it's the seller's responsibility either, what he did was above and beyond IMO. His name which is in good standing from what we can tell was brought up over the internet with an implied impropriety, it would concern me greatly and I'd probably be inclined to help out just to clear it even though it was no fault of my own. The buyer can state how he didn't accuse the seller, but we can all read between the lines. This is a real stretch to state something like this over the internet: "
I get the "just the broker" argument but in this case they did more.
06-09-2016 | 09:00 AM
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LCM seems to legitimately have had no knowledge of the problem. They cannot be held responsible but they have a reputation of selling quality boats in seaworthy condition. Their reputation is on the line and from the activity here on this thread, I'd guess many people would think twice before buying a LCM brokerage boat at the moment.
The surveyor appears to have missed some defects that one might expect a decent surveyor to notice. That's why buyers get surveys. Subject to the details of what he promised his customer when he was engaged to perform the survey, he has put his name on the document and freely handed it to another party. He should still stand behind his signature and the report. The time lapse after his report may give him a exit clause from incompetence but otherwise, I think he is still responsible for his work regardless of who paid.
My 2 cents worth....
RR
The surveyor appears to have missed some defects that one might expect a decent surveyor to notice. That's why buyers get surveys. Subject to the details of what he promised his customer when he was engaged to perform the survey, he has put his name on the document and freely handed it to another party. He should still stand behind his signature and the report. The time lapse after his report may give him a exit clause from incompetence but otherwise, I think he is still responsible for his work regardless of who paid.
My 2 cents worth....
RR
06-09-2016 | 10:41 AM
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Why was it LCM's fault? Did they represent the boat to be flawless? It's a USED boat. Is it their responsibility to go through every inch of the boat, and I mean EVERY inch since these lines of accusations can come from any issue? What happens if a part in the engine was near the end of it's life and it breaks the first time out? You gonna go back to them on that too?
Sorry, I'll be the dissenting opinion here on this thread, I don't see their culpability here unless they performed the repair which is baseless at this point. This is why there's a survey. Maybe this should have been caught, maybe it's a reasonable miss, I didn't pay for the survey and discuss the specifics of what or what wouldn't be done. Not enough info here to rush to judgement. What was the scope of work the surveyor agreed to? Could this repair pass a tap or visual test and only fail when stressed?
And I'll be the dissenting opinion here and state that I don't think it's the seller's responsibility either, what he did was above and beyond IMO. His name which is in good standing from what we can tell was brought up over the internet with an implied impropriety, it would concern me greatly and I'd probably be inclined to help out just to clear it even though it was no fault of my own. The buyer can state how he didn't accuse the seller, but we can all read between the lines. This is a real stretch to state something like this over the internet: "I’m guessing he just wanted to screw somebody to save a buck or he got screwed on the repair himself." Well which is it? Before you (Nuke) make a statement like that over the internet you'd better bring more than that to the table, I'd be mighty pissed if I were the seller and you'd pulled something like that. You're using speculation as leverage.
From the info stated here, the seller brought the boat to a shop that was supposed to be professional and do the right thing, pay for the repair and move on. How is it his responsibility if it is not he who performed the repairs? It's easy for a shop to pull the wool over someone's eye, not only a fiberglass shop but any vendor wether it be a car mechanic, home contractor, et al. That's why we hire people, because they're supposed to be professional and be experts in their field of choice. I don't know squat about fiberglass repair, if the shop described to me the failure and subsequent repair strategy I'd go with it, why wouldn't I?
Looks like the seller paid into this as a result of the repair shop's shoddy work, above and beyond IMO. The repair shop has some answering to do as far as I'm concerned.
Sorry, I'll be the dissenting opinion here on this thread, I don't see their culpability here unless they performed the repair which is baseless at this point. This is why there's a survey. Maybe this should have been caught, maybe it's a reasonable miss, I didn't pay for the survey and discuss the specifics of what or what wouldn't be done. Not enough info here to rush to judgement. What was the scope of work the surveyor agreed to? Could this repair pass a tap or visual test and only fail when stressed?
And I'll be the dissenting opinion here and state that I don't think it's the seller's responsibility either, what he did was above and beyond IMO. His name which is in good standing from what we can tell was brought up over the internet with an implied impropriety, it would concern me greatly and I'd probably be inclined to help out just to clear it even though it was no fault of my own. The buyer can state how he didn't accuse the seller, but we can all read between the lines. This is a real stretch to state something like this over the internet: "I’m guessing he just wanted to screw somebody to save a buck or he got screwed on the repair himself." Well which is it? Before you (Nuke) make a statement like that over the internet you'd better bring more than that to the table, I'd be mighty pissed if I were the seller and you'd pulled something like that. You're using speculation as leverage.
From the info stated here, the seller brought the boat to a shop that was supposed to be professional and do the right thing, pay for the repair and move on. How is it his responsibility if it is not he who performed the repairs? It's easy for a shop to pull the wool over someone's eye, not only a fiberglass shop but any vendor wether it be a car mechanic, home contractor, et al. That's why we hire people, because they're supposed to be professional and be experts in their field of choice. I don't know squat about fiberglass repair, if the shop described to me the failure and subsequent repair strategy I'd go with it, why wouldn't I?
Looks like the seller paid into this as a result of the repair shop's shoddy work, above and beyond IMO. The repair shop has some answering to do as far as I'm concerned.
06-09-2016 | 10:42 AM
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I guess that the boat never went anywhere but in the water or on the trailer where the shoddy repair was out view.
Now if that boat had ever been on the forks , anyone near it would have had to see it .
I am betting on the former and the surveyor didn't crawl under the trailer.
Most likely the initial damage or failure was not to bad, but than the Butcher got hold of it and ground through in a few places and bondoed over it and geled.
New repair allowed water to penetrate more than ever.
Now if that boat had ever been on the forks , anyone near it would have had to see it .
I am betting on the former and the surveyor didn't crawl under the trailer.
Most likely the initial damage or failure was not to bad, but than the Butcher got hold of it and ground through in a few places and bondoed over it and geled.
New repair allowed water to penetrate more than ever.
06-09-2016 | 12:21 PM
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Not many like him in the world let alone the marine industry!
06-24-2016 | 05:58 PM
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So Terry is done grinding. 57 ft of glassing then it'll be done. Interestingly he said that the resin used on the Kevlar wasn't the right type of resin to be on it. Anyway, maybe a couple weeks we'll be back at it.
Pictures didn't show, he sent 4 new ones, basically all chines are ground down.
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06-24-2016 | 06:02 PM
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06-24-2016 | 06:18 PM
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Well I bought a 25,000 boat and now have one six figures in it from hidden stuff. Do I like the boat not sure only drove it once. But it's how I want in now and all new and payed for.
