Are Great Lakes Really Rougher Than Oceans?
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I think if you look, you'll find just off of South Africa (CapeHorn maybe ?) the biggest and narliest waves, mostly because of the short distance between continents and thus squeezing one of the larger ocean currents.
Most massive rogue waves and, of course, ship sinkings.
Used to be a Discovery junky until they stopped being Discovery. Doh !
Most massive rogue waves and, of course, ship sinkings.
Used to be a Discovery junky until they stopped being Discovery. Doh !
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I think if you look, you'll find just off of South Africa (CapeHorn maybe ?) the biggest and narliest waves, mostly because of the short distance between continents and thus squeezing one of the larger ocean currents.
Most massive rogue waves and, of course, ship sinkings.
Used to be a Discovery junky until they stopped being Discovery. Doh !
Most massive rogue waves and, of course, ship sinkings.
Used to be a Discovery junky until they stopped being Discovery. Doh !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garret...a#World_record
I body-surfed a 60'er at LOTO, but the body-surfing record was 60'3" on Lake Michigan. Missed it by THAT much.
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The Gulf isn't exactly the ocean either.....not a fair comparison at all.
Granted this is not huge or anything but this is my buddies 4 Apache coming out of Bunces pass in St. Pete...not exactly "smooth" lake water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCw_SHSwCC4
Granted this is not huge or anything but this is my buddies 4 Apache coming out of Bunces pass in St. Pete...not exactly "smooth" lake water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCw_SHSwCC4
Blew 50 for 3 hours before it went down to 35 for the next 3 . When daylight came I was in Awe how Damn big the waves were.
Every bit of 15 to 20, we were 50 miles offshore in 150 feet of water.
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I have only been on the ocean once, so can't comment on that.
As far as Lake Michigan goes, my experience is that basically, anything over 1-3Ft water, the average high performance boat, isn't going to be doing any high speed running. I'm not talking about "guestimated" 1-3's. I mean NOAA observations. They make the rules, not some guy in a pleasure boat. How you or I interpret NOAA's wave reports, is much different. 3-5 footers , is getting big. I always hear how " I lost sight of my buddys boat in the troughs, had to be 8ft'er". The average go fast boat, is probably 4-5ft from the water line to the top of the windscreen.
[COLOR="#0000FF"]Anyone who thinks they are going to go out on the lake here today, and run their 32ft vee bottom at 80mph in this water, is dreaming.
As far as Lake Michigan goes, my experience is that basically, anything over 1-3Ft water, the average high performance boat, isn't going to be doing any high speed running. I'm not talking about "guestimated" 1-3's. I mean NOAA observations. They make the rules, not some guy in a pleasure boat. How you or I interpret NOAA's wave reports, is much different. 3-5 footers , is getting big. I always hear how " I lost sight of my buddys boat in the troughs, had to be 8ft'er". The average go fast boat, is probably 4-5ft from the water line to the top of the windscreen.
[COLOR="#0000FF"]Anyone who thinks they are going to go out on the lake here today, and run their 32ft vee bottom at 80mph in this water, is dreaming.
The main problem is, you can run in 3' or more in many boats, but you aren't going to stop and anchor....nothing like your swim platform smacking you in the chin trying to get on and off the boat.
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I think if you look, you'll find just off of South Africa (CapeHorn maybe ?) the biggest and narliest waves, mostly because of the short distance between continents and thus squeezing one of the larger ocean currents.
Most massive rogue waves and, of course, ship sinkings.
Used to be a Discovery junky until they stopped being Discovery. Doh !
Most massive rogue waves and, of course, ship sinkings.
Used to be a Discovery junky until they stopped being Discovery. Doh !
Here's all I have to add to this discussion: At least with the Pacific Ocean, swells most often follow a directional pattern—washing machine water is rare. We have no continental shelf so the ocean depths just a few miles offshore can be several thousand feet deep. So even when the swells are big, and my home is about 20 miles from the famed Mavericks surf spot (and 30 miles to Ocean Beach, the scene of the infamous Donzi video) they tend to roll and be pretty evenly spaced. Of course, when they hit something shallow and break (rule of thumb is waves break when the water depth is half their height) they become a big-time hazard to navigation, and the risk in navigating in areas such Mavericks and Ocean Beach is that the reef or sandbars can go farther out than you think.
That said, I once took out a 27-foot Formula in 10- to 15-foot glassy swells off Ventura, where Powerboat magazine had its offices. We played it conservatively, the boat never left the water and it was a non-event. A few years earlier, Courtney Smith took me for a ride in a 38-foot Baja in three- to four-foot Lake Michigan slop and I thought I was going to die.
I had a similarly unpleasant experience going out Holgate Inlet in New Jersey in a 33-foot Donzi, but those were four- to six-footers with odd cresting eight-footer thrown in, just for fun.
To the point, I think it's tough to say where the roughest water is until you've gone boating in unruly conditions in a lot of different places. For me, however, Lake Michigan has delivered the most consistent beatings, foot for foot in wave height, of anywhere.


