Fever Mike,

My mistake about the Skater. But look at this:

"My 1979 30 foot Formula went past a 2001 38 foot Formula Twin step this year. Why, Simple I knew how to drive and the other guy did not".

That's what I really meant. It's like talking out of both sides of one's mouth. His argument would have been better taken if he hadn't even mentioned his Formula. But with that said, he and you have a good point. It is about Superboat and Progression, or was it Pantera, I can't remember.

Wayne your right-I made it all up-I actually only have a 12' dingy and was racing a guy on an inner-tube--I raced my boat in NPBA--but from the insite your giving you must have some resume--world champ-or atleast national champ right?--go read some more books/brochures--I remember the progression brochure said the boat would go 80mph with a 2.5--sure it would-just like it would go by an activator--everybody's got a dollar and a dream

rtaylor: My point about my Formula beating another is that my Formula should be about 15-20 mph slower then his in just about any condition. My point is that the driver more often then not can make a boat go faster if they know what they are doing. Put Joey Impressia (sp) in the same boat as you or I and his boat will go faster in almost any condition. WHY??? Because he is one of the best. The reason the issue was continued beyond that was that Don99 felt the need to slam my boat implying that it would fall apart at 50... Well almost 25 years later and she is still strong as the day she was new

My point is that if you want to talk about my boat is faster then yours and all that BS then why just stop at the other boats that have been mentioned? Why not bring REAL fast boats like Skater and the alike into the mix? I mean lets face it in the sceam of truely fast boat, these baot are all dogs including mine.

Again there is a reason that the two of these boats (Superboat and Pantera's) are being compared. It has NOTHING to do with top speed vs. other models like Progresions or Velocity or anything like that. This is a great example of a thread that started out and had prommis to be a great one, but gets ruined because it gets so side tracked with BS that no one that has any TRUE info on the comparison of the two boats or the history of the hulls will even chime in.

Jon

Audiofn,

Thanks for clearning that up, especially without getting silly like a lot of us on this thread.

Randy

No problem man I just was really excited to get a little more inside info on were these hulls came from and the history of the molds and since they are both splashed from the same molds (as I understand it) how people feel that the two manufacturers differ from one another. Then it gets side tracked with all the other manufacturers and a total pissing match. I am sure that they owner of Pantera (who is on the board) would NEVER think to reply on this thread now due to all the bickering. Oh well maybe we can start it all over again it is just a shame.

Jon

Toffen - If thats a pic of your boat its beautiful.... I too hope you get 9mph from the 300x.... but I doubt it .... my Dad was born near Bergen, Norway in 1918... lived there till he was 8... he & his parents moved to America around1926.... sorry to get OT here... but I wanted to say Hi to a fellow Viking.....

I did'nt imply your boat would break at 50mphs I implyed your boat could not go 50mphs! (it's a joke get it) Just how fast do you think a 38ft. Formula with stock power goes. Those boats are very heavy maybe the guy was'nt even racing.

By the way I think Wayne and Misty shacked up for the weekend. (thats a joke too)

Don , I think you should go back and read my original post , and what boat do you have ?
JFM I see you must be a know it all cause you race , what is that again NPBA , IS THAT LIKE THE APBA ? anytime you want to come to New York I would be glad to give you a ride in the 24 progression at 87 mph .I will bet you anything that there is not a 22 activator that will pass the 22 progression, anywhere anyhow . But I guess you have dreams also.

i know of a 21 superboat that would spank any 22 progerssion!!
just ask joey impressia how fast his 21 superboat is, i herd he was doing 93 with a 300 idont know if it is a X or not


while iam on the subject joe could get any boat he want's

what is his personal boat of choice, a SUPERBOAT !!!
jimh