370ss how towable?
12-21-2016 | 11:40 AM
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Just looked at that EC model , nice boat. What do you like about as opposed to the 370SS?
Looks a little more trailerable.
What about just buying one with the 496s and bravos? Won't have to worry about butchering yourself when you fall off the swim platform peeing.
Looks a little more trailerable.
What about just buying one with the 496s and bravos? Won't have to worry about butchering yourself when you fall off the swim platform peeing.
12-21-2016 | 04:47 PM
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My 370 has held up well since 2005. Same drives and engines never rebuilt with 600 hours.
True . But lots of big block boats with transomes beiing parted out in the
swap shop. Also i cant imaging 2 plus hour trips in my fountain . Its a fun go fast boat prefect for what i do. But every hour is wearing somthing in a hp boat. This guy needs a fast cruiser with power you can put 500 hours on . So a 500 efi boat that cruises 50 or so is what he needs. Too bad they don't offer the 8.3 cummins i have in my mottor home. It is pre 1995 and has no computor. Pretty much all mechanical. Pushes a 22,000 pound motor home at 7 mpg in the mountains on the trip to havasu. Gets just about 7 with 10,000 plus pounds of boat behind it . Could you imagine what it would take for gas to do this? 2 8.3 300's would do it . A lot of weight but how much does 3 motors weight ??
swap shop. Also i cant imaging 2 plus hour trips in my fountain . Its a fun go fast boat prefect for what i do. But every hour is wearing somthing in a hp boat. This guy needs a fast cruiser with power you can put 500 hours on . So a 500 efi boat that cruises 50 or so is what he needs. Too bad they don't offer the 8.3 cummins i have in my mottor home. It is pre 1995 and has no computor. Pretty much all mechanical. Pushes a 22,000 pound motor home at 7 mpg in the mountains on the trip to havasu. Gets just about 7 with 10,000 plus pounds of boat behind it . Could you imagine what it would take for gas to do this? 2 8.3 300's would do it . A lot of weight but how much does 3 motors weight ??
12-21-2016 | 06:06 PM
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I also like the private bedroom, no need to make a bed (370SS) and the rooster is sweet I bet. No brovo blues.
I think that`s pretty accurate.
12-21-2016 | 08:46 PM
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Love the Arnesons.
Rebuilt a sunk a1985 Formula sr1 that had some 425 Inovation/Kamma motors and Kaama surface drives back in 1986.
The simplicity and speed gain sold me that I never wanted an outdrive again.
Shallow water capability and durability from hitting something Sold me once and for all.
I like the Green. Looks Classy with a gold stripe.
The Arnesons rock.
You would be soooo far ahead just putting some carbed low rpm 540s in it . You would have to run that thing 5000 hours to recoup what those little diesel would cost you in repairs.
The Yanmar 315 were $ 22000 12 years ago direct from Mastery in Tampa , a gear is another 3000. Today a pair of small 300 horse diesels with gears are going to run you 60 thousand minumun.
Rebuilt a sunk a1985 Formula sr1 that had some 425 Inovation/Kamma motors and Kaama surface drives back in 1986.
The simplicity and speed gain sold me that I never wanted an outdrive again.
Shallow water capability and durability from hitting something Sold me once and for all.
I like the Green. Looks Classy with a gold stripe.
The Arnesons rock.
You would be soooo far ahead just putting some carbed low rpm 540s in it . You would have to run that thing 5000 hours to recoup what those little diesel would cost you in repairs.
The Yanmar 315 were $ 22000 12 years ago direct from Mastery in Tampa , a gear is another 3000. Today a pair of small 300 horse diesels with gears are going to run you 60 thousand minumun.
12-21-2016 | 09:26 PM
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I made a list
37SS/ 38EC/40SS
Cons:
1.Storage cost
2.Slip cost
3. On water gas prices
4.Stuck at one marina with the same people
5. Speed
6. Wide load permits
7. Grandpa gauges
8. Harder or impossible to bring home to maintain/fix ( might not make it thru gate)
Pros:
1. No towing
2. More room
3. No packing (so says my wife)
4 . Longer season
5. 2 bedrooms
Black Thunder:
Pros:
1. Speed
2. No wide load permits
3. No slip fees
4. No winter storage fees
5. not stuck in one place
6. Cooler than a cruiser
7. Not so grandpa layout
8. On land gas prices
9. Bring home to work on
Cons:
1. Bravos
2. Trailering
3. Shorter season
4. One bedroom
Last thing I wanna do is start re rigging a boat. So over bilge work right now.
Would be a sweet set up thou!
Cons:
1.Storage cost
2.Slip cost
3. On water gas prices
4.Stuck at one marina with the same people
5. Speed
6. Wide load permits
7. Grandpa gauges
8. Harder or impossible to bring home to maintain/fix ( might not make it thru gate)
Pros:
1. No towing
2. More room
3. No packing (so says my wife)
4 . Longer season
5. 2 bedrooms
Black Thunder:
Pros:
1. Speed
2. No wide load permits
3. No slip fees
4. No winter storage fees
5. not stuck in one place
6. Cooler than a cruiser
7. Not so grandpa layout
8. On land gas prices
9. Bring home to work on
Cons:
1. Bravos
2. Trailering
3. Shorter season
4. One bedroom
You would be soooo far ahead just putting some carbed low rpm 540s in it . You would have to run that thing 5000 hours to recoup what those little diesel would cost you in repairs.
Would be a sweet set up thou!
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12-21-2016 | 10:18 PM
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What size boats and what size Cummins and Yanmars. Got to compare apples to apples.
Like I said if you can get into the bigger cube cummins and yanmars there is good reliable options. But your not going to put 4000 pounds into a narrow beamed boat under 40 feet.
The 3208 cats are stretched to far to be reliable above 325 horse so that is a motor I would avoid in the Cat game
I'll take a cheap reliable easy to repair gas motor over a diesel any day if you can make enough torque and power with it.
Bring along a carb and extra distributor and coil and plugs and you are golden.
Tough to rebuild that $3800 high pressure injection pump on a holiday weekend . Not to mention the inter cooler with a leak in it or the 3000 dollar brand specific Turbo, or injectors and so on.
Like I said if you can get into the bigger cube cummins and yanmars there is good reliable options. But your not going to put 4000 pounds into a narrow beamed boat under 40 feet.
The 3208 cats are stretched to far to be reliable above 325 horse so that is a motor I would avoid in the Cat game
I'll take a cheap reliable easy to repair gas motor over a diesel any day if you can make enough torque and power with it.
Bring along a carb and extra distributor and coil and plugs and you are golden.
Tough to rebuild that $3800 high pressure injection pump on a holiday weekend . Not to mention the inter cooler with a leak in it or the 3000 dollar brand specific Turbo, or injectors and so on.
12-22-2016 | 08:50 AM
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I think they were referring to the donzi 39 zsc, its not a cc, lots of beam an 2 separate berths. There is always the donzi 45zx also. Many had trip 500efis. Not to start a trip vs twin debate, but I would rather have (3) 500/525s and bravos, than 2 big headaches parts breakers that is constantly mess with. If I went to a 46 Blackthunder it would have trips 500s. Big heavy boat, have a 3rd drive to help not work the other 2 so hard. Plus they a relitvely cheap. Just my .02.
I figured if I can't find a 370/38 ec with blue motors, is run the 496 hos till I got bored then procharge them. Done game over best of both worlds.
I figured if I can't find a 370/38 ec with blue motors, is run the 496 hos till I got bored then procharge them. Done game over best of both worlds.
