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DAD, the reason I don't have videos of me running in rough water, is because when were running, were going so fast no one wants to try to record. on and off the throttles like don Johnson and chuck Norris racing USA. skipping over the waves. not bashing through them.
you on the other hand, are out for a merry go round ride and its easy for people to video tape you boating because you don't even need to worry about proper throttling because your props never leave the water! do I have experience surfing my boat through tidal waves? NO. do I have experience running 70-80 mph in 2-3's occasional 4 straight into the wind? yes. if you think im going to come out there ad put my boat in a hurricane with 7' swells youre more retarded than everyone thinks. and hey would ya look at that, even if I came to ohio this weekend, the water wouldn't be "big enough" oh, in regards to your last post, no one is talking to you, were all laughing at you |
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Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4556960)
Facts are he has never ran in any rough water with that boat let alone Lake Erie or any other Great Lake, so he has zero experience doing so, it will take him a day boating in it to learn the water and set up boat to run in it at all, it's easy to navigate a Great Lake on a 30-40 mph wind day period. m |
Originally Posted by phragle
(Post 4556799)
Ok, check this out.....
Standard man card rules would have Phil step up and say "Tim, you win, I did not have my sh!t together and am unable to compete, therefor you win by default' as he graciously admits defeat. And by those same standard man card rules, Tim would say "While I accept your concession, I want to beat you head to head in true competition" Thereby offering a rematch. So what I, the great instigator of jackassery am proposing is as follows.... Fall usually see rough water and is techically "after" the season so to speak to eliminate potential schedueling conflicts. October 28th is Halloween at the bay (PIB). The run from the Venetian marina to PIB is roughly 20 miles. End of October can pretty much guarantee snotty conditions. Dockage at the Bay should not be an issue. The party is usually pretty good. Now for the pound fest reward.. The winner walks the loser (dressed as a dog) around all night on a leash with the loser fetching and buying the winners drinks and pays his dock fee for Saturday night. We will arrange for official starting, finishing and timekeeping for the event.and I will buy both participants their first round of beverages Saturday night. Can I get 3 volunteers for course workers? If you knuckleheads are serious, and are willing to commit and make this happen, weather permitting I can possibly arrange for a helicopter to film the run. (helicopter pilot has done several opa races and has no problem getting down on the deck for some good pictures) Tim, are you in? Phil, Are you in? |
Originally Posted by ben
(Post 4557009)
Pretty sure he's had it at LOTO on shootout weekend, and everyone knows LOTO has the roughest water of anywhere. especially leaving the shootout.
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Originally Posted by ben
(Post 4557009)
Pretty sure he's had it at LOTO on shootout weekend, and everyone knows LOTO has the roughest water of anywhere. especially leaving the shootout.
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Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4557018)
Oh wow 2-3's... that's rough as can be lol loto...
Not saying it's worse than your 3.5 mile trip you take every weekend to KI when the weather is bad, just saying it's way worse than you describing it as just "2-3s" |
I have yet to see any video of Loto that makes me thinknits worse then Great Lakes, I didn't know anyone in the Great Lakes that will say loto is worse, hmmm we have islands and channels all over and a huge bay, JUST LIKE LOTO... now add 30-40 mph winds ... and a depth average of 30-40 ft ... trust me we get worse that's been debated more then cig/fountain... not even worth the arguement... I just thought it was funny that dude considers 2-3's "rough" and that is like 1-2 weekends a season.
As for experience... how many loto guys been to Erie? Doubt too many so same opinion goes how can they judge? |
"Whats wrong Lassie? You say Timmy is down in a well and debating Lake Erie and LOTO again? Just leave his azz there. He will learn someday....come on in I'll give ya some kibble."
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Lololol you guys
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Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4557034)
I have yet to see any video of Loto that makes me thinknits worse then Great Lakes, I didn't know anyone in the Great Lakes that will say loto is worse, hmmm we have islands and channels all over and a huge bay, JUST LIKE LOTO... now add 30-40 mph winds ... and a depth average of 30-40 ft ... trust me we get worse that's been debated more then cig/fountain... not even worth the arguement... I just thought it was funny that dude considers 2-3's "rough" and that is like 1-2 weekends a season.
As for experience... how many loto guys been to Erie? Doubt too many so same opinion goes how can they judge? |
Nobodybsaidbits worse here in this post... but guys say it all the time... all over the place
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Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4557034)
I have yet to see any video of Loto that makes me thinknits worse then Great Lakes, I didn't know anyone in the Great Lakes that will say loto is worse, hmmm we have islands and channels all over and a huge bay, JUST LIKE LOTO... now add 30-40 mph winds ... and a depth average of 30-40 ft ... trust me we get worse that's been debated more then cig/fountain... not even worth the arguement... I just thought it was funny that dude considers 2-3's "rough" and that is like 1-2 weekends a season.
As for experience... how many loto guys been to Erie? Doubt too many so same opinion goes how can they judge? I thought you might have caught my sarcasm in that post... |
Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4556979)
I contribute where I feel I need to, you guys can feel free to not look or sorry about what I do... not sure eh you care? So....
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Is this thread locked yet? No reason it needs to continue
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Originally Posted by phragle
(Post 4556799)
Ok, check this out.....
Standard man card rules would have Phil step up and say "Tim, you win, I did not have my sh!t together and am unable to compete, therefor you win by default' as he graciously admits defeat. And by those same standard man card rules, Tim would say "While I accept your concession, I want to beat you head to head in true competition" Thereby offering a rematch. So what I, the great instigator of jackassery am proposing is as follows.... Fall usually see rough water and is techically "after" the season so to speak to eliminate potential schedueling conflicts. October 28th is Halloween at the bay (PIB). The run from the Venetian marina to PIB is roughly 20 miles. End of October can pretty much guarantee snotty conditions. Dockage at the Bay should not be an issue. The party is usually pretty good. Now for the pound fest reward.. The winner walks the loser (dressed as a dog) around all night on a leash with the loser fetching and buying the winners drinks and pays his dock fee for Saturday night. We will arrange for official starting, finishing and timekeeping for the event.and I will buy both participants their first round of beverages Saturday night. Can I get 3 volunteers for course workers? If you knuckleheads are serious, and are willing to commit and make this happen, weather permitting I can possibly arrange for a helicopter to film the run. (helicopter pilot has done several opa races and has no problem getting down on the deck for some good pictures) Tim, are you in? Phil, Are you in? http://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/...1d&oe=59AF0885 |
I wouldnt tell Phil his boat sucks in rough water because I have no idea, never been on his boat. .... and I wouldn`t comment on ROTO water if I`ve never been there when it is rough.
I have however been to Lake Michigan, Erie, and ROTO. reason I don`t like ROTO is all the reasons Ron said. My ac line cracked one year, my bellows another and one time I went between two wakes and I went sideway like I`ve never done on the Great Lakes. I call it annoying water and it aint no picnic! ROTO is definitely not some easy 2-3' ride with waves bouncing between shores on that river. This isn`t even when it`s rough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGALIK9yTpY |
Wow 54 pages and we aren't choosing a CAM, Oil or saying the word Apache. What is OSO coming to?
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Originally Posted by cigrocket
(Post 4557065)
Wow 54 pages and we aren't choosing a CAM, Oil or saying the word Apache. What is OSO coming to?
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Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix
(Post 4557070)
To be fair Tim did say Apache!
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Originally Posted by bigboat28
(Post 4556942)
What happens if the wind blows for that weekend Jeremy?
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Originally Posted by Wasted Income
(Post 4557061)
http://cimg.tvgcdn.net/i/r/2015/09/2...ets-animal.jpg |
Lol...here u go again...just soon as u don't have the "control" u start with the crybaby ****..."is the thread locked yet" lol... how have u made it this far....
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Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4556960)
Ok here's the facts and why I even busted Phils azz to begin with when he was talking smack about smoking. Me.
Many will agree with this yet never say so in public, I know this per personal conversation and PM over time. Fact: when it's rough out in my area I am always 1 of a very select few boats out having fun while others stay on land, normally it's myself and Rob with his 36 Apache... MAYBE 2-3 other boats in general area... Facts are he has never ran in any rough water with that boat let alone Lake Erie or any other Great Lake, so he has zero experience doing so, it will take him a day boating in it to learn the water and set up boat to run in it at all, it's easy to navigate a Great Lake on a 30-40 mph wind day period. Fact: My boat is a heavy old boat with DEEP Trs drives, I run the boat nearly every weekend in any condition, been in storms, rain, even snow in early April... Fact: Phil has a arneson Hustler he has ran in flat water only...I have been told by many a Hustler is not a great rough water boat but known more for top speed in a light chop, not easy to set up and stay hooked in rough Great Lake water with no experience at all doing ever once before. Fact: I have many videos of me in rough water and phil has zero clearly info this a lot more then he ever thought about doing. Fact: I never said Lake Erie is the roughest ever like he claims... but anyone local knows exactly how it can be. Fact: I never said a arneson equipped boat cannot run rough water, I said a Hustler with them and a 21 year old driver with zero experience cannot... I still say that's true.. Fact: I don't hate Phil just hate his lies. Fact: I can care less if he ever comes here or I go anywhere else, I am going to do what I do if he shows up one day and lakes crankin... well my go pro is always in the boat will be a good video... my best friend has a 107 mph Formula... with short drives a huge props he can't touvh me in rough water... I will dig up the video showing us going from flat water in bay where he was way ahead of me to when his boat was starting to fly and he could not stay into it... and the old 70 mph Trs boat just kept going... m I have never seen you run your boat or been in a mistress but I know my boat runs 91 with 575 a side, I think it might just stand a chance against the mistress. So I don't really understand how Phil's boat with arnesons and a couple hundred extra hp per side wouldnt stand a chance. But like I said I have never seen you run a boat or seen a mistress run in person. I would be willing to purchase a few cold beverages tow my boat a little ways and meet up with some like minded individuals to see how things shake out and have a fun day on the water. |
4bus and Icdedppl nailed it about Roto, in my opinion as well.
While I do think many over estimate the roughness of loto , it is by no means "calm" on a busy holiday weekend. Its a challenge to drive there for all the reasons they said. Confused waters , boats coming from every direction, tons of boats with not much room to maneuver at times. Certainly capable of getting a 38 Cig or 41 apache aired out. Obviously the great lakes waves can get larger. Ive been out on lake michigan many times where I was legitly concerned I was gonna crack the hull open , in all of my boats. Its no fun in that water. On moderately rough days, it can be alot of fun, and get to run an offshore boat, well, like an offshore boat. What i do like about roto, is there isnt a time where Id feel land locked due to conditions. So, even on the roughest weekends, Id have no safety qualms about traveling 30 plus miles in the roto slop, as long as you use your head, in a decent sized boat. End of the day, boating is supposed to be fun. Fun for you, and fun for your crew. Back when i had big slow boats, it was only fun, if the lake was rough. Going 65mpg in a 40ft vee on flat water , was like watching paint dry to me. So I hoped for rough waters, to make it exciting. Now that I have a faster boat, with bigger power, i dont need big waves to get an adreneline rush. Im sure at some point, going 95 on flat water will get boring, and ill want more power, or a faster hull. Thats the hobby we chose. If going fast on flat water gets you hard, go for it. If plowing theu big swells at 60mph gets you hard, go for it. Thats why we have cats, vees, big, small, various deadrises, different style of drives, and so on. The internet is filled with mines better than yours, and mostly from opinions that hold no water. |
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I certainly dont walk up to a guy with a 30ft cat that goes 130+, and tell him "i bet i can beat you when the water kicks up".
Thats like walking up to a guy with a 911 Carrera turbo and saying "you might be faster, but my lincoln town car has a better ride". |
So is my BT a Lincoln Town Car? I don't know whether to be triggered, trans-boat/car or should I identify as a MTI bc that's what I really want:bananalove::fear:
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You may think this Tim vs. Phil rivalry is new. It is not. They've been going at it for a very long time.
62,900,000 BC it went something like this: http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9ykwvx4k.jpg http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/...psnus82skl.jpg |
The whole thing started when Phil and others call my boat a old slow POS every chance they get, I think it's funny that he and others can rip apart the boat I love, put a lot of money into and enjoy calling it a POS but if I say anything at all I am the jerk.... all I said was I could take him in rough water on Erie... he said otherwise so that's what happened...Phil pounds his chest about having such a fast boat and how bad mine sucks, well mines paid for and I prefer it that way... could I take a loan out and get a TS boat that runs 100+? sure.. I chose not to.. that's my choice..this whole thing is blown way out of portion and I am over it. Phil even said 2-3's hes doing 70-80... try that in 3-5's and bigger lests see how that goes.
Withtnhe money I have invested if all out speed was my goal I could have clearly paid for a different boat.... mid 70's is fine for me, if I chose to go faster later I will address that then. the moistress comments, the POS comments, the Tim sucks comments and all that is ok by others but god forbid I make a comment... whatever.....it's my hard work and dedication that makes me feel good about what I do, most would have given up long ago... I get zero credit for any of the good I have done, I made a few posts proving the reliability of 2 seasons on these engines, skimmed right over.... as usual, OSO focuses on bashing me into the ground.
Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4557222)
I certainly dont walk up to a guy with a 30ft cat that goes 130+, and tell him "i bet i can beat you when the water kicks up".
Thats like walking up to a guy with a 911 Carrera turbo and saying "you might be faster, but my lincoln town car has a better ride". |
Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4557228)
The whole thing started when Phil and others call my boat a old slow POS every chance they get, I think it's funny that he and others can rip apart the boat I love, put a lot of money into and enjoy calling it a POS but if I say anything at all I am the jerk.... all I said was I could take him in rough water on Erie... he said otherwise so that's what happened...Phil pounds his chest about having such a fast boat and how bad mine sucks, well mines paid for and I prefer it that way... could I take a loan out and get a TS boat that runs 100+? sure.. I chose not to.. that's my choice..this whole thing is blown way out of portion and I am over it. Phil even said 2-3's hes doing 70-80... try that in 3-5's and bigger lests see how that goes.
Withtnhe money I have invested if all out speed was my goal I could have clearly paid for a different boat.... mid 70's is fine for me, if I chose to go faster later I will address that then. the moistress comments, the POS comments, the Tim sucks comments and all that is ok by others but god forbid I make a comment... whatever.....it's my hard work and dedication that makes me feel good about what I do, most would have given up long ago... I get zero credit for any of the good I have done, I made a few posts proving the reliability of 2 seasons on these engines, skimmed right over.... as usual, OSO focuses on bashing me into the ground. yet when someone says something you don't agree with you attack their boat. You have done it in this thread multiple times. |
Show me where I say that ... attack the boat? No I do not... if anything I say my opinion on a brand as many of us do, never attack aspnones pride and joy, if I say anything it's because of people past bashing me... like boatnt, he bashed the hellnout of me and my boat... so I give it back
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This thing started as a typical dumpster fire, that spread to the wood pellet factory, then the fire works factory, then the rocket fuel factory, and now the real hair wig factory is burning and it just stinks
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Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4557234)
Show me where I say that ... attack the boat? No I do not... if anything I say my opinion on a brand as many of us do, never attack aspnones pride and joy, if I say anything it's because of people past bashing me... like boatnt, he bashed the hellnout of me and my boat... so I give it back
then just below on post #430 "lol dumbest post ever, says he with the huge 32 sinking fountain " You also called Phil's trailer a "piece of sh*t" but yet you have never seen it and it seems to pull his boat all over just fine. Again...always the victim aren't you Tim. |
Exact words from a local of Phils "trailer not ready it's got issues"
Ok you have 2 examples of me saying things that I did or deny... try again. Saying you don't even have a boat and bashing it are not the same thing genius.
Originally Posted by Nate5.0
(Post 4557244)
Well with me you assume I don't have a boat (which you are wrong) and tell me to keep my "f*ucking mouth shut". Even if I didn't What the hell would that matter?
then just below on post #430 to Boatnt. You also called Phil's trailer a "piece of sh*t" but yet you have never seen it and it seems to pull his boat all over just fine. Again...always the victim aren't you Tim. |
This had the potential to be epic fun...........but alas, I grow weary.
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Originally Posted by 82predictor
(Post 4557211)
I would be more than happy to demonstrate the "not great rough water abilities" of a Hustler to you anytine in person and not by what your sisters cousins brother told you at the Mustang parts swap meet. A few people had also told me about my boats inability to handle rough water when I first got it. Apparently the boat doesnt know about its deficiency and seems to run ok and to my surprise it seems to run with quite a few boats when it's choppy out.
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Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4557228)
The whole thing started when Phil and others call my boat a old slow POS every chance they get, I think it's funny that he and others can rip apart the boat I love, put a lot of money into and enjoy calling it a POS but if I say anything at all I am the jerk.... all I said was I could take him in rough water on Erie... he said otherwise so that's what happened...Phil pounds his chest about having such a fast boat and how bad mine sucks, well mines paid for and I prefer it that way... could I take a loan out and get a TS boat that runs 100+? sure.. I chose not to.. that's my choice..this whole thing is blown way out of portion and I am over it. Phil even said 2-3's hes doing 70-80... try that in 3-5's and bigger lests see how that goes.
Withtnhe money I have invested if all out speed was my goal I could have clearly paid for a different boat.... mid 70's is fine for me, if I chose to go faster later I will address that then. the moistress comments, the POS comments, the Tim sucks comments and all that is ok by others but god forbid I make a comment... whatever.....it's my hard work and dedication that makes me feel good about what I do, most would have given up long ago... I get zero credit for any of the good I have done, I made a few posts proving the reliability of 2 seasons on these engines, skimmed right over.... as usual, OSO focuses on bashing me into the ground. You let the youngster get under your skin! Boat comparisons(boat bashing) have been happening on this site forever! "PUT UP OR SHUT UP......and then its over. At this point,Its really immature and childish. Ignore him and it will eventually go away.....Who cares, you know who you are. |
Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4557249)
Exact words from a local of Phils "trailer not ready it's got issues"
Ok you have 2 examples of me saying things that I did or deny... try again. Saying you don't even have a boat and bashing it are not the same thing genius. So cause Phil's trailer currently has issues it is a piece of sh*t........Your exact words. What does that make your boat last year when you had "issues"? |
Can we start another poll of who figured this wouldn't happen vs who thought it might actually go down?
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