Fountain vs Outer L racing
10-14-2017 | 03:54 PM
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10-14-2017 | 03:57 PM
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Blah blah blah. What you said up thread is clearly wrong. Now you're trying to reframe the argument.
I dont think anyone can deny that a specific fountain can go a stated speed as long as its recorded otherwise anyone can throw any # out there. But because a specific boat went a certain speed doesnt mean they all go that fast. There seems to be some extra speed in a v bottom boat that certain people in the industry can find, 2 people off the top of my head come to mind. It has been well documented over the years one particular man has done many fountain and some OL boats and he has done other brands as well. Guys have sent there boats to him and miraculously he is able to find 5-10-15+ mph more speed from the boat. That is awesome! IMO that person deserves the credit not the brand of boat.
That does not mean all boats run those speeds and that is not brand specific.
All 43 OL's with 1650's wont run 180+ mph
All Black thunders wont run 160+ mph
All fountains wont run whatever # you want to put on it unless it's been modified like the other boat that did run that #.
One friend got his fountain 1075 test report from leaving factory. 126 mph is what it said and not unloaded with everything, props probably arent perfect but normally it will run 120 + or -.
Of course some 42's have gone 135 or 140 but that is not how most left the factory unless Reggie did a little extra magic to that specific boat in the setup (which I'm sure happened from time to time for some $ or course).
I guess my point was not brand specific by any means, because you can find one boat of any brand who went a certain speed (more than most of that exact boat) with a stated motor package doesn't mean they all should go that fast.
No matter what brand if one boat normally goes 140 and another one goes 155 I will guarantee you alot of work has been done to the bottom of the boat, drive heights, props, possibly the balance of the weight in the boat and probably the power is bumped up as well.
The gains credit then belongs to the guy who changed the boat not necessarily the brand.
When the Parveys run big #'s at the LOTO shootout I dont ever hear people giving credit to Black thunder for building such a fast boat. It's always people giving credit to the Parveys for changing the boat and making it that fast. I hope no one went to go buy a Black thunder boat hoping it was going to go as fast as the Parveys.
That does not mean all boats run those speeds and that is not brand specific.
All 43 OL's with 1650's wont run 180+ mph
All Black thunders wont run 160+ mph
All fountains wont run whatever # you want to put on it unless it's been modified like the other boat that did run that #.
One friend got his fountain 1075 test report from leaving factory. 126 mph is what it said and not unloaded with everything, props probably arent perfect but normally it will run 120 + or -.
Of course some 42's have gone 135 or 140 but that is not how most left the factory unless Reggie did a little extra magic to that specific boat in the setup (which I'm sure happened from time to time for some $ or course).
I guess my point was not brand specific by any means, because you can find one boat of any brand who went a certain speed (more than most of that exact boat) with a stated motor package doesn't mean they all should go that fast.
No matter what brand if one boat normally goes 140 and another one goes 155 I will guarantee you alot of work has been done to the bottom of the boat, drive heights, props, possibly the balance of the weight in the boat and probably the power is bumped up as well.
The gains credit then belongs to the guy who changed the boat not necessarily the brand.
When the Parveys run big #'s at the LOTO shootout I dont ever hear people giving credit to Black thunder for building such a fast boat. It's always people giving credit to the Parveys for changing the boat and making it that fast. I hope no one went to go buy a Black thunder boat hoping it was going to go as fast as the Parveys.
10-14-2017 | 08:37 PM
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If you want to argue, it won't be with me on a forum page. I simply stated facts.
Stock 42 lightning boats with 1075's typically from the factory with standard setup would come with a performance report in 125 mph range.
Your own video you posted 3rd one showed the same thing.
The stock poker run 42 1075 that was at performance apparently ran what I posted.
My post you quoted was accurate as well. If one boat runs xxx and someone did work on the boat then that does not mean all the same models will run that. Using that boat as a normal would not be accurate.
On a side note someone posted a quote that the poker run boat went 10 mph faster by adding 75 hp per motor.
I'm not saying the boat doesn't go that fast, I'd assume it's documented and it does go that fast. But to believe adding 150 hp total to a boat and it will go 10 mph faster... either more hp than that was added or the setup was changed.
150 hp total does not make any boat go 10 mph faster. There is physics involved and it will effect all boats no matter fountain, ol, skater, mti,
Obviously that boat is a good runner.
10-14-2017 | 09:12 PM
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10-14-2017 | 10:05 PM
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Apparently it started with 1000hp zuls.
Of the 4 known big power PRs, 2 go over 150, 1 over 140, and the 4th is unknown or being built.
KWright , 05-13-2017 03:40 AM
1, Bootlegger pirate boat 525's bravos
2, White w/ blue Chad's old boat 600 sci imco's
3, The one for sale in finland upgraded 700 sci 6 drives
4, Saratoga stampede Doc's old boat 1075 sci 6 drives converted to canopy now in Tobago
5, Blue and green one just upgraded at Teague 1200? 6 drives
6, Fast hands Billys boat 1150 6 drives
7,the custom one from Kirban
8, Rainmaker currently being upgraded 525 efis 6 drives
If I got anything wrong feel free to correct.
The one in the Fountain video is Doc's boat I belive.
Of the 4 known big power PRs, 2 go over 150, 1 over 140, and the 4th is unknown or being built.
KWright , 05-13-2017 03:40 AM
1, Bootlegger pirate boat 525's bravos
2, White w/ blue Chad's old boat 600 sci imco's
3, The one for sale in finland upgraded 700 sci 6 drives
4, Saratoga stampede Doc's old boat 1075 sci 6 drives converted to canopy now in Tobago
5, Blue and green one just upgraded at Teague 1200? 6 drives
6, Fast hands Billys boat 1150 6 drives
7,the custom one from Kirban
8, Rainmaker currently being upgraded 525 efis 6 drives
If I got anything wrong feel free to correct.
The one in the Fountain video is Doc's boat I belive.
10-15-2017 | 03:13 AM
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Hogie- the Hustle Guy is a special dude- he originally responded to this thread thinking someone was trying to just start a keyboard war. This thread was originally brought up as a RACE boat thread and SOME people have to search for defense. Fact of the matter is, the Fountains have always been proven to be faster. These OL guys make the case for 2017 OL full Carbon sit down boats to be running faster than 2008 42 Fountains. They just can’t handle the fact that Fountain race boats are the class of the field. Then Hustler guy wants to say he states facts about these pleasure boats but then can’t handle the FACTS of an OL Race boat not being up to par. Next out of his mouth will be his OL Cat is just flat out better than a Skater! Just flat out pathetic and embarrassing!
10-15-2017 | 07:04 AM
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There is a 29 OL single that won a whole lot of races.
In superboat racing my opinion is there is a whole lot of things that come into play in order to win, and it has to have the right amount of everything, a great balance, to much of one thing not enough of another and no dice.
The boat has to accelerate hard
The boat has to corner hard and be able to carry speed
The boat needs to be able to have good top speed
The boat needs to have that speed in the water conditions that are present. To bouncy in rough conditions prop and boat out of water is no good. To planted in flat water will be slow
The drivers need to work together and feel comfortable with the boat
alot of things come into play I believe on racing.
In superboat racing my opinion is there is a whole lot of things that come into play in order to win, and it has to have the right amount of everything, a great balance, to much of one thing not enough of another and no dice.
The boat has to accelerate hard
The boat has to corner hard and be able to carry speed
The boat needs to be able to have good top speed
The boat needs to have that speed in the water conditions that are present. To bouncy in rough conditions prop and boat out of water is no good. To planted in flat water will be slow
The drivers need to work together and feel comfortable with the boat
alot of things come into play I believe on racing.
In order to be the true winner you must comply with the rules.
the 29 ol is not as fast as the phantoms or extremes in that class when it is setup in parity along with the other svl teams.
10-15-2017 | 07:35 AM
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My little girl says Fountains have always been faster and when I told her I sold my Fountain and bought a Donzi she was dumbfounded......(She didn't think much of Outerrlimits either)
P.S. No 'skank' remarks please.
P.S. No 'skank' remarks please.
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10-15-2017 | 08:21 AM
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The instigator boat flies. Twisted metal/cooper standard does also. However I don't recall them racing this year. Maybe once? really curious to see how the carbon race boat turns out. Which is not the kilo boat. Kilo boat is standard materials. The carbon boat was sold to a customer supposedly being rigged at some point to race. I'd like to see a 42 lightning laid up with the materials OL uses to keep their 41 under 10k pounds. That would be a fast ass 42
