Real Open Ocean running again???
05-02-2018 | 08:53 AM
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Race records of Around Long Island Marathon
1959 - Jim Lacy - 17 Hunter - Single 70 HP Mercury outboard - 8hrs 30 minutes - 280 mi
1960 - Chuck Mercereau / Odell Lewis - 17 Power Cat -2 80 HP Mercury outboards - 6 hrs - 280 mi
1961 - Sam Griffith - 31 Bertram GLASS MOPPIE - 2 330 HP Chryslers -6 hrs 22 minutes - 280 mi
1962 - Jim Wynne - 19 Glastron GULFSTREAM - 2 100HP Volvos -6 hrs 2 minutes -258 mi
1963 - Gene Bianco - 19 Eltro - 2 100 HP Merc ury outboards - 5 hrs 26 minutes - 240 mi
1964 - Odell Lewis - 25 Bertram - 2 310 HP Mercruisers - 5hrs 6 minutes - 245 mi
1964 Rick Stein - 16 Glastron single 100 HP Mercury outboard - 6 hrs 5 minutes -245 mi
1965 Stanley Humes - 20 Owens - single 225 HP Mercruiser - 7 hrs 5 minutes - 234 mi
1966 Alan Brown - 28 Donzi- BROAD JUMPER - 2 530 HP Holman and Moody - 4 hrs 42 minutes - 253 mi
1967 Dick Genth - 28 Formula - THUNDERBIRD VI -single 450 HP Mercruiser - 5 hrs 23 minutes - 253 mi
1968 Bill Sirois / Fred Kiekhaefer - 31 Bertram SIDEWINDER - 2 475 HP - 3 hrs 59 minutes - 253 mi
1969 Peter Rittmaster - 31 Bertram - AMERICAN MOPPIE - 2 475 HP -4 hrs 33 minutes - 253 mi
2010 Joe De Fusco / Jon Tobin / Charlie McCarthy - 30 Sonic - 2 310 HP - 6 hrs 15 minutes - 271 mi
2011 Joe Sgro / Joe Cibellis - 43 Outerlimits - 2 710 HP Ilmors - 3 hrs 5 minutes - 271 mi
2011 Norm Salem / Bob Kolenburg - 38 Fountain CC - twin Merc outboards - 4 hrs 15 minutes - 271 mi
Single Run Non Race records
1989 Stu Hayim / Joey Imprescia - 32 Skater RECOVERY- 2 Mercruisers - 3 hrs 6 min - Mileage unknown
2012 Stu Hayim / John Tomlinson - 42 MTI FERRARI MASERATI - 2 Mercruisers - 2 hrs 11 min - Mileage unknown
Another single run was attempted by Stu Hayim at a date later than 2012.
In early morning calm conditions at high speed, the boat hit a bell buoy in morning fog and the run was cancelled with the boat damaged.
1959 - Jim Lacy - 17 Hunter - Single 70 HP Mercury outboard - 8hrs 30 minutes - 280 mi
1960 - Chuck Mercereau / Odell Lewis - 17 Power Cat -2 80 HP Mercury outboards - 6 hrs - 280 mi
1961 - Sam Griffith - 31 Bertram GLASS MOPPIE - 2 330 HP Chryslers -6 hrs 22 minutes - 280 mi
1962 - Jim Wynne - 19 Glastron GULFSTREAM - 2 100HP Volvos -6 hrs 2 minutes -258 mi
1963 - Gene Bianco - 19 Eltro - 2 100 HP Merc ury outboards - 5 hrs 26 minutes - 240 mi
1964 - Odell Lewis - 25 Bertram - 2 310 HP Mercruisers - 5hrs 6 minutes - 245 mi
1964 Rick Stein - 16 Glastron single 100 HP Mercury outboard - 6 hrs 5 minutes -245 mi
1965 Stanley Humes - 20 Owens - single 225 HP Mercruiser - 7 hrs 5 minutes - 234 mi
1966 Alan Brown - 28 Donzi- BROAD JUMPER - 2 530 HP Holman and Moody - 4 hrs 42 minutes - 253 mi
1967 Dick Genth - 28 Formula - THUNDERBIRD VI -single 450 HP Mercruiser - 5 hrs 23 minutes - 253 mi
1968 Bill Sirois / Fred Kiekhaefer - 31 Bertram SIDEWINDER - 2 475 HP - 3 hrs 59 minutes - 253 mi
1969 Peter Rittmaster - 31 Bertram - AMERICAN MOPPIE - 2 475 HP -4 hrs 33 minutes - 253 mi
2010 Joe De Fusco / Jon Tobin / Charlie McCarthy - 30 Sonic - 2 310 HP - 6 hrs 15 minutes - 271 mi
2011 Joe Sgro / Joe Cibellis - 43 Outerlimits - 2 710 HP Ilmors - 3 hrs 5 minutes - 271 mi
2011 Norm Salem / Bob Kolenburg - 38 Fountain CC - twin Merc outboards - 4 hrs 15 minutes - 271 mi
Single Run Non Race records
1989 Stu Hayim / Joey Imprescia - 32 Skater RECOVERY- 2 Mercruisers - 3 hrs 6 min - Mileage unknown
2012 Stu Hayim / John Tomlinson - 42 MTI FERRARI MASERATI - 2 Mercruisers - 2 hrs 11 min - Mileage unknown
Another single run was attempted by Stu Hayim at a date later than 2012.
In early morning calm conditions at high speed, the boat hit a bell buoy in morning fog and the run was cancelled with the boat damaged.
05-02-2018 | 09:55 AM
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If you have been following my comments over the years, then you must remember my saying....The racers and race teams will race anything anywhere, BUT the organizers have taken over the sport and made shorter courses and closer to the beach.
If you are offended by that, I apologize. I just have a hard time thinking that the offshore racing that I knew...... can be compared to today's version.
Old school racing
Long beach to San Francisco - 439 miles of open ocean
Bahamas 500 - 539 miles of open ocean
Miami to Nassau - 185 miles of open ocean
Around Long Island - 271 miles of open ocean
Miami to Key West - 180 miles of open ocean
Bushmills - 205 miles of open ocean
St Petersburg - 200 miles of open ocean
Today's version.
Key West over 3 race days, total mileage 60 miles, all in the harbor.
Old School - World Champion .....Competed in USA, England, Argentina, Uraguay, South Africa, Italy, Sweden, Norway, Yugoslavia
Today's version - World Champion ......Competed in USA - East of Mississippi. Some WC competed all year and only had one boat in the class.
We simply want to bring back old school Offshore racing .......because what you have today is a cross between Unlimited hydroplane racing and SK circle boat racing.....It is not Offshore Racing.
Sooooo, any racers and race teams that would like to try old school racing, you are more than welcome. We will give you as much advice as we can to help you prepare a boat that can finish. We are working hard to come up with a system to allow boats that do not have enough fuel for 271 miles, to refuel and be handicapped for the time stopped. We have 10 interested parties at this point. We would like to see more of the smaller sized boats involved. We want this to be a run that everyone has a chance of a good finish rather than the guy with the biggest checkbook wins. Minimum length now is 18 feet......do we have any 16 or 17 footers out there?
Again, if my remarks have offended any racers or race teams, I am sorry, but go back and look at what I have said over the past years and it was always critical of the organizers and how they hi-jacked the sport and the name.
Don't tell me there is any offshore racing in the USA beyond the ALI. As Judge Judy says....Don't piss on my leg and then tell me it's raining.
In 2010 the winning boat took 6 hours and 15 minutes to complete the course in September.
Hurricane Igor hit the North East that weekend. We ran on Saturday and the other "Offshore Racers" in New Jersey canceled on Sunday, because it was too rough.
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I find it amusing you take every opprortunity to desparage the current race teams while you have had limited, to say the least, success with "real " offshore racing. I wish you the best of luck with your event, sounds like it would be fun.
Hurricane Igor hit the North East that weekend. We ran on Saturday and the other "Offshore Racers" in New Jersey canceled on Sunday, because it was too rough.
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I find it amusing you take every opprortunity to desparage the current race teams while you have had limited, to say the least, success with "real " offshore racing. I wish you the best of luck with your event, sounds like it would be fun.
If you are offended by that, I apologize. I just have a hard time thinking that the offshore racing that I knew...... can be compared to today's version.
Old school racing
Long beach to San Francisco - 439 miles of open ocean
Bahamas 500 - 539 miles of open ocean
Miami to Nassau - 185 miles of open ocean
Around Long Island - 271 miles of open ocean
Miami to Key West - 180 miles of open ocean
Bushmills - 205 miles of open ocean
St Petersburg - 200 miles of open ocean
Today's version.
Key West over 3 race days, total mileage 60 miles, all in the harbor.
Old School - World Champion .....Competed in USA, England, Argentina, Uraguay, South Africa, Italy, Sweden, Norway, Yugoslavia
Today's version - World Champion ......Competed in USA - East of Mississippi. Some WC competed all year and only had one boat in the class.
We simply want to bring back old school Offshore racing .......because what you have today is a cross between Unlimited hydroplane racing and SK circle boat racing.....It is not Offshore Racing.
Sooooo, any racers and race teams that would like to try old school racing, you are more than welcome. We will give you as much advice as we can to help you prepare a boat that can finish. We are working hard to come up with a system to allow boats that do not have enough fuel for 271 miles, to refuel and be handicapped for the time stopped. We have 10 interested parties at this point. We would like to see more of the smaller sized boats involved. We want this to be a run that everyone has a chance of a good finish rather than the guy with the biggest checkbook wins. Minimum length now is 18 feet......do we have any 16 or 17 footers out there?
Again, if my remarks have offended any racers or race teams, I am sorry, but go back and look at what I have said over the past years and it was always critical of the organizers and how they hi-jacked the sport and the name.
Don't tell me there is any offshore racing in the USA beyond the ALI. As Judge Judy says....Don't piss on my leg and then tell me it's raining.
05-02-2018 | 01:16 PM
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For better or worse offshore racing has evolved or devolved into what we have today. I'm sure the organizing association for the Point Pleasant race could not put on a race similiar to the 80's style of offshore, too many things have changed. Length of event, course control, safety, etc....
I hope the ALI does well, it sounds like a challege for sure.
I hope the ALI does well, it sounds like a challege for sure.
05-02-2018 | 04:54 PM
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Endless studies have been done over the recent years with results saying today's spectator wants an event that fast time wise and over, they don't want 14 inning ball games, overtime, endless commercial timeouts etc. Probably why the shootouts and drag racing still draw many spectators and entrants. I can see the whole offshore racing business transitioning to a shootout series set around 8 to 10 venues.
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05-03-2018 | 09:06 AM
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Endless studies have been done over the recent years with results saying today's spectator wants an event that fast time wise and over, they don't want 14 inning ball games, overtime, endless commercial timeouts etc. Probably why the shootouts and drag racing still spectators and entrants. I can see the whole offshore racing business transitioning to a sootout series set around 8 to 10 venues.
it didn’t used to be a spectator sport.
05-04-2018 | 06:09 AM
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I think what Charlie is saying is the sport is called OFFSHORE RACING it's not about the spectators is much as the competition itself. Man and machine. The conditions,navigating,equipment design/function,driving talent and true grit.
05-04-2018 | 09:11 AM
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Energy drinks are the big sponsors at many of the motorsport series/venues and who consumes the most energy drinks ? 18-34 year old males, not many of them can afford a offshore powerboat.
05-04-2018 | 11:26 AM
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