3missing after cat flips off Cape Coral
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Maybe that is the problem. Right there.
If we go back to the sports car analogy, you want your car to tell you when it is on the verge of letting go. Not just send the rear axle in front of the front axle without notice.
Experienced cat drivers have been killed in the MTI 390X. Maybe because they expected the signals that they were used to getting in other cats.
If we go back to the sports car analogy, you want your car to tell you when it is on the verge of letting go. Not just send the rear axle in front of the front axle without notice.
Experienced cat drivers have been killed in the MTI 390X. Maybe because they expected the signals that they were used to getting in other cats.
100%
Because the 390X has a wide tunnel and high compression it gives a false sense of security, it goes over everything and feels smooth because of the lift... until it doesnt, and then it`s too late.
Wind was definitely a factor.
Gregg Rosen, the owner of Aqua Mania was killed in a 39 MTI too. He has owned some of the fastest boats in the world and was very experienced. So yeah, I would agree that the 39 MTI has bitten some very experienced boaters. One incident could be chalked up to bad luck, etc…, but when it’s happened to multiple guys with a lot of experience, I think the 39 MTI needs to really be looked at as the common denominator in these situations.
I think a quick fix is insurance companies black list them, banks stop financing them, and they will go away.
I think a quick fix is insurance companies black list them, banks stop financing them, and they will go away.

I have heard that the 390X is very hard to insure and most self insure, not sure if that is true but while I was looking for 36 NT insurance , there was one well known insurer that stopped covering them due to having to pay out for the quad motor that sank. That was just one boat and they said no more insuring Nortechs.
Agree that they need to go away.
At this point I would think there would be enough for a class action lawsuit.
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Think what that is like on two wheels,,,,
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just a question as I am not an outboard guy but is it common for the engines to rip off the mounts that easily. one I could see but both engines look like they failed at the pivot area. is it possible that the mount failed or started to fail causing a trim issue? just asking as I know these new outboards are very heavy and they dont seem to hang on by much. not saying or speculating, just curious
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Not common for outboard engines to rip off the mounts.
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Tough to know how many have gone over, MTI must spend a lot to bury the stories and pictures off of the internet.
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How much of it is us?
Do we run our boats to the “edge” w/passengers on board??
Most I know, do.
We are all experienced enough to know what/where the edge is, and that is different for every boat, conditions, load, driver ability etc and it changes constantly and in front of our eyes!
Like no other motor sport/hobby.
So if we’re making a pass, on the edge, and anything changes, then what?
If were smart we plan/allow for that variable correct?
No one wants to ride in our boats at part throttle.
They get in our boats cuz the know they’re the latest, greatest, fastest.
Think they want or would be satisfied w/a 60 mph ride?
Going out and killing ourselves is one thing but killing them??
A good friend of mine sold a 300X powered 19’, 120 mph tunnel boat a while back.
A month later the man showed up at his door to charge him for expenses incurred for the removal of his destroyed boat who’s owner never transferred the title and died in the wreck!
So IMO, it’s our fault.
Its always our fault.
Home made 50 mph boat or 10 million$ 150 mph cat, what makes the difference?
Do we run our boats to the “edge” w/passengers on board??
Most I know, do.
We are all experienced enough to know what/where the edge is, and that is different for every boat, conditions, load, driver ability etc and it changes constantly and in front of our eyes!
Like no other motor sport/hobby.
So if we’re making a pass, on the edge, and anything changes, then what?
If were smart we plan/allow for that variable correct?
No one wants to ride in our boats at part throttle.
They get in our boats cuz the know they’re the latest, greatest, fastest.
Think they want or would be satisfied w/a 60 mph ride?
Going out and killing ourselves is one thing but killing them??
A good friend of mine sold a 300X powered 19’, 120 mph tunnel boat a while back.
A month later the man showed up at his door to charge him for expenses incurred for the removal of his destroyed boat who’s owner never transferred the title and died in the wreck!
So IMO, it’s our fault.
Its always our fault.
Home made 50 mph boat or 10 million$ 150 mph cat, what makes the difference?
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Everyone's obsessed with top speeds these days. Manufacturers are all about those bragging rights, so they're cranking out boats with ever-wider tunnels to cram in more air for crazy lift and compression—meaning less hull in the water—while keeping things super light for killer power-to-weight ratios. Mercury keeps pumping out ever more powerful outboards. Toss in those Motec kits that slap on another 150+ horsepower, and boom: a perfect storm waiting to happen. I
Not a huge fan of STUUUU, but credit where it's due—maybe he spotted the writing on the wall and jumped ship.
Meanwhile, online, the slower cats like DCB, Mystic, and the newest quad from Nortech catch endless heat for not matching the top speed craze of MTIs and the like.
Nortech, Mystic DCB aim to make a safe catamaran instead of the outright speed demon ...I say that's the way to go. I'd take arriving last over not arriving at all but most guys have way too much ego so here we are.
I would be very surprised if the 4000 Nortech blew over. They didn`t make a cat for years because they wanted to build a safe one. MTI isn`t on the same page
Not a huge fan of STUUUU, but credit where it's due—maybe he spotted the writing on the wall and jumped ship.
Meanwhile, online, the slower cats like DCB, Mystic, and the newest quad from Nortech catch endless heat for not matching the top speed craze of MTIs and the like.
Nortech, Mystic DCB aim to make a safe catamaran instead of the outright speed demon ...I say that's the way to go. I'd take arriving last over not arriving at all but most guys have way too much ego so here we are.
I would be very surprised if the 4000 Nortech blew over. They didn`t make a cat for years because they wanted to build a safe one. MTI isn`t on the same page
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Lots of these mfg make fast and safe boats. None of them are safe if operated in an unsafe manner.
People buying these boats are racers at heart, and racers have egos. Speed is a drug and we all can't get enough. Its performance boating. We know the risks and we make the choice to take a measured amount of risk for the thrill. Some people exercise restraint, some don't, and even those that make good decisions most of the time sometimes make an isolated poor decision that has consequences. Running hard 125+ into unfavorable weather conditions and the way it crossed the other boat's wake when it went over is something that could be considered risky....amongst other things.
Pushing these limits with passengers onboard is another discussion.
People buying these boats are racers at heart, and racers have egos. Speed is a drug and we all can't get enough. Its performance boating. We know the risks and we make the choice to take a measured amount of risk for the thrill. Some people exercise restraint, some don't, and even those that make good decisions most of the time sometimes make an isolated poor decision that has consequences. Running hard 125+ into unfavorable weather conditions and the way it crossed the other boat's wake when it went over is something that could be considered risky....amongst other things.
Pushing these limits with passengers onboard is another discussion.
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Very happy to hear that Neal has made a positive turn and was able to be operated on. Please continue to keep him and all affected in your thoughts and prayers.
Joe
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