GrinandBarrett

Brian ,

If you look at my post in regards to MA that was directly from Detroit, and he stopped answering my emails well before that.
I may be eating at the Y but I'll have no BOMF.

Grin

THEJOKER

Grin:

I've seen your anti LLC / MA posts on the other message board. Your talking out of both ends! BH

GrinandBarrett

Brian,

If you can find one post it here for all to see.
Everything that I've posted anywhere has been based on
research I have done personally and just about every time that I post something there I post the same here and visa versa.
I have never personally attacked anyone that hasen't attacked me first.
Yes I have told MA I thought he was lying about details of this whole mess. He still has not answered the question of his version of the APBA BOD. Can you honestly tell me you've talked to anyone outside of Offshore to find out the otherside of the issue.
If not your only getting about 1/3rd of the story.

Matt

GrinandBarrett

Here I'll post one for you.


"Flamenco 2 U" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> B Hollis wrote;
> >"Looks like you've chosen your side there bud. So what so called APBA
race
> will you attend?"
>
> Brian,
> While you and I almost always agree on racing business, I have to
> respectfully disagree with you on this one.
> I don't think Mr. Barrett has "chosen sides" as much as he has simply
asked
> questions and is trying to form his own conclusions. Problem is, I think
he
> has seen/heard more than the two stories, and now probably has someone
> associated with the Hearns, attempting to create as much doubt as
possible as
> to what/how the Offshore-LLC can possibly do the things they claim. In
doing
> so, this may raise questions of doubt with Mr. Barrett, thereby creating
> animosity towards offshore and so on.
> Of course I'm just speculating here, but we've seen it so many times
before,
> I figure it's the same game.
> To Mr. Barrett,
> I applaude your efforts in fact finding, but I would suggest to you that
there
> may be much more here than meets the eye, or than can be answered in
forthright
> questions. I started months ago doing/asking the same things as you are
now. I
> think much of the facts will come to light, (hopefully soon), and we may
all be
> able to see "the rest of the story".

Gordo,

You are correct in that I hold no animosity toward anyone in any category
especially Offshore. I love boats and boat racing.
I can tell you right now that I have spoken to only one of the Hearns once
and as that conversation offered some more insight to what is going on, that
one phone call didn't send me on any wild tangents either, it was one
concerned APBA member to another. I am still trying to ask needed questions
of both sides. I do not believe that this Hearns Vs LLC., it is a dispute
between two contractually obligated parties and it the responsibility of
both to resolve the dispute in the way the contract sets forth which in this
case is binding arbitration from a neutral 3rd party.

Matthew

GrinandBarrett

Here's another

F1offshore" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Matthew:
>
> Looks like you've chosen your side there bud. So what so called APBA race
will
> you attend? No schedule - no races. APBA Offshore LLC will continue to
> provide us with the very best possible offshore racing available. There
is
> still not one negative post from any APBA Offshore racer. The sofa racers
seem
> to be falling to the back of the pack - BH

Brian,

I have only stated my opinion on the issues that I have researched, if that
has put me on any side it's the side of the truth as "I" see it. I have not
asked anyone to believe me or not. I have encouraged everyone to seek
information for themselves if they can. Anyone reading my posts can make up
their own minds if they think what I say is right or wrong. I would like to
see both sides come together and get this taken care of. I believe one side
has made that attempt in the manner the contract set forth, the other thinks
its right and doesn't seam to care what the contract says. You decide which
one is which. And if you want to know I have seen the contract.

Matthew

PhantomChaos

Sometimes.........I hate boat racing. You guys are like a bunch of Jr. High girls........

Audiofn

Agreed

Racing now is not what it used to be. Not sure were the blame can lie on that or maybe no one is to blame. However all this crap for a guy like me who used to really be into racing and understands the RACING part of it, all this crap turns me off. I may go to ONE race this year that being the SBI race in NY. It could just as easily be APBA if they had a closer race but that is not the case. The only reason however that I will be going to the race it to hook up with friends and make the run up the Hudson. All these threats of Lawsuits and boats getting locked up and this that and the other but Mike A is NEVER wrong????????????? Something just does not equate

Jon

GrinandBarrett

Mike,

Did the ever LLC ask for arbitration?

Matt

T2x

This thread is being split again........

1. The fact based side in which Grin has done a wonderful...and IMHO...... non biased job.

2. The emotional side wherein we are told that this is a "waste of time" and "harmful" to the sport....and based on unspecified "hidden agendas".

Please consider that lawsuits, non payment of fees, and refusal to arbitrate are far more "harmful" than free and open discussion.

I'll freely admit that I dislike some of the players here, but I'm also big enough to admit if I am wrong....and will defend to the death other people's right to a viewpoint. So far....I'm still absorbing and learning....and if I can learn....given 40 plus years in the sport.. certainly all of us can benefit from this exercise.

I am asking again that we stick to the facts as either published or quoted, lay off the tangents and objections...and try to get to the heart of the matter.

As a businessman I know that it is easy to walk away from the sticky issues, hide from confrontation, and ignore hot topics......but success is measured precisely by how effective one is at finding amicable solutions........ not necessarily judicial victories....

Perserverance, diligence and effort is needed here....and it seems Mr. Barrett is working quite hard in that regard.

T2x

T2x

Nothing on this forum will either obtain or discourage any real sponsorship. That should be based on exposure, TV, and fan interest.

Nascar has Jeff Gordon's wife demanding full accounting of other driver's income......with no impact on sponsorships.......so please spare us the "dirty laundry" charges and get back to the facts.

T2x