Fu*%ing Theives
05-31-2004 | 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Danny_Ocean
Here's the story...doesn't shed much light on the details:
Homeowner Charged After Allegedly Killing Burglar
Two Men Allegedly Tried To Burglarize Shed
POSTED: 4:58 pm EDT April 27, 2004
UPDATED: 5:38 pm EDT April 27, 2004
FRANKLIN TOWNSHIP, N.J. -- A south New Jersey homeowner is facing first-degree murder charges -- he's accused of fatally shooting a man who he says was trying to break into his backyard shed.
It happened late Monday night at the home of Robert Clark Jr. on Grant Avenue in Franklin Township.
Clark's home was burglarized once before in the last year and this time he used deadly force to stop the burglary.
According to investigators, Clark caught two men breaking into his shed. He stepped out of his house, shot and killed William Hamilton, 39, of Clemeton, N.J. Clark then chased the second alleged burglar, Dwayne Jones, 22, and fired several rounds at him. Jones was later captured.
Prosecutors have charged Clark with first-degree murder, possession of a weapon and aggravated assault.
"You can replace an ATV, but you can't replace someone's life. Regardless of his motives for being in the back yard, they were unlawful, but you can't take the law into your own hands to correct that," said Sean Dalton, the Gloucester County Prosecutor.
Clark and his wife have lived in their house for about two years. There have been a handful of burglaries in their neighborhood recently.
"Someone had broken into this place a couple of times and someone had broken into that house," explained a neighbor identified as J.C.
But, despite the burglaries, prosecutors say the protection of property is not reason enough to shoot and kill.
"It is unfortunate somebody died and it's kind of sad for the individual that did the shooting, the homeowner. I'm sure he's in a lot of trouble now. But, other than that, you know, it's just the whole thing is unfortunate," said John Baumgartner, a neighbor.
Clark was freed on $50,000 cash bail Tuesday. Prosecutors said Jones lives just one block away from Clark.
Now here's a story about a guy who SHOT A GUEST INSIDE HIS HOME AND WASN'T A THREAT. This guy walked! I guess it all depends how much lawyer one can afford:
Tragedy In New Jersey
The Jayson Williams Shooting Facing a manslaughter charge and witnesses who may turn on him, the ex-NBA star has seen his dream world collapse with the shotgun death of a limo driver
Posted: Friday April 30, 2004 4:26PM
Updated: Friday April 30, 2004 4:26PM
By Tim Layden Special reporting by Don Yaeger, Lester Munson and Luis Fernando Llosa
March 11, 2002
This much we know: In the early morning hours of Feb. 14 the lives of Jayson Williams, the wealthy NBA player turned B-list celebrity, and Costas (Gus) Christofi, a limousine driver who had apparently put a difficult stretch of his life behind him, intersected tragically. A shotgun was fired in the master bedroom of Williams's lavish estate, a grown man's Disneyland in northwest New Jersey. We do not know why the gun was fired or, with any certainty, how. But we know Christofi is dead, Williams is charged with killing him, and their names are now linked in perpetuity. First, the death was reported as a suicide, and then forensic evidence proved it was a homicide. Now, SI has learned, there was allegedly an attempt to tamper with evidence in the moments after the shooting in order to protect Williams. Creeping up slowly on the truth, investigators learn more from witnesses each day.
At approximately 2:30 a.m., the house was shaken by the blast of a shotgun. According to the source, several of the visitors rushed into Williams's bedroom and found Christofi slumped against a wall, bleeding profusely from a massive chest wound, and Williams "freaking out." The shotgun lay nearby on the floor. Williams screamed for someone to perform CPR on Christofi, and when nobody responded, Williams started pressing on Christofi's chest, feeling for a pulse and talking to him. According to the source, one witness said that Christofi "looked like he was in shock, then all of a sudden he was dead."
At 2:38 a.m., according to Hunterdon County prosecutors, Williams's adopted brother, Santiago, called 911 and reported Christofi's shooting as a suicide. At approximately the same time, a witness told SI, some of Williams's guests saw him and one other man attempting to place Christofi's palm print and fingerprints on the shotgun. Later, according to the witness, Williams changed clothes and disposed of the bloody ones he had been wearing when Christofi was shot.
D. Ocean
Pompano Beach, FLA
Homeowner Charged After Allegedly Killing Burglar
Two Men Allegedly Tried To Burglarize Shed
POSTED: 4:58 pm EDT April 27, 2004
UPDATED: 5:38 pm EDT April 27, 2004
FRANKLIN TOWNSHIP, N.J. -- A south New Jersey homeowner is facing first-degree murder charges -- he's accused of fatally shooting a man who he says was trying to break into his backyard shed.
It happened late Monday night at the home of Robert Clark Jr. on Grant Avenue in Franklin Township.
Clark's home was burglarized once before in the last year and this time he used deadly force to stop the burglary.
According to investigators, Clark caught two men breaking into his shed. He stepped out of his house, shot and killed William Hamilton, 39, of Clemeton, N.J. Clark then chased the second alleged burglar, Dwayne Jones, 22, and fired several rounds at him. Jones was later captured.
Prosecutors have charged Clark with first-degree murder, possession of a weapon and aggravated assault.
"You can replace an ATV, but you can't replace someone's life. Regardless of his motives for being in the back yard, they were unlawful, but you can't take the law into your own hands to correct that," said Sean Dalton, the Gloucester County Prosecutor.
Clark and his wife have lived in their house for about two years. There have been a handful of burglaries in their neighborhood recently.
"Someone had broken into this place a couple of times and someone had broken into that house," explained a neighbor identified as J.C.
But, despite the burglaries, prosecutors say the protection of property is not reason enough to shoot and kill.
"It is unfortunate somebody died and it's kind of sad for the individual that did the shooting, the homeowner. I'm sure he's in a lot of trouble now. But, other than that, you know, it's just the whole thing is unfortunate," said John Baumgartner, a neighbor.
Clark was freed on $50,000 cash bail Tuesday. Prosecutors said Jones lives just one block away from Clark.
Now here's a story about a guy who SHOT A GUEST INSIDE HIS HOME AND WASN'T A THREAT. This guy walked! I guess it all depends how much lawyer one can afford:
Tragedy In New Jersey
The Jayson Williams Shooting Facing a manslaughter charge and witnesses who may turn on him, the ex-NBA star has seen his dream world collapse with the shotgun death of a limo driver
Posted: Friday April 30, 2004 4:26PM
Updated: Friday April 30, 2004 4:26PM
By Tim Layden Special reporting by Don Yaeger, Lester Munson and Luis Fernando Llosa
March 11, 2002
This much we know: In the early morning hours of Feb. 14 the lives of Jayson Williams, the wealthy NBA player turned B-list celebrity, and Costas (Gus) Christofi, a limousine driver who had apparently put a difficult stretch of his life behind him, intersected tragically. A shotgun was fired in the master bedroom of Williams's lavish estate, a grown man's Disneyland in northwest New Jersey. We do not know why the gun was fired or, with any certainty, how. But we know Christofi is dead, Williams is charged with killing him, and their names are now linked in perpetuity. First, the death was reported as a suicide, and then forensic evidence proved it was a homicide. Now, SI has learned, there was allegedly an attempt to tamper with evidence in the moments after the shooting in order to protect Williams. Creeping up slowly on the truth, investigators learn more from witnesses each day.
At approximately 2:30 a.m., the house was shaken by the blast of a shotgun. According to the source, several of the visitors rushed into Williams's bedroom and found Christofi slumped against a wall, bleeding profusely from a massive chest wound, and Williams "freaking out." The shotgun lay nearby on the floor. Williams screamed for someone to perform CPR on Christofi, and when nobody responded, Williams started pressing on Christofi's chest, feeling for a pulse and talking to him. According to the source, one witness said that Christofi "looked like he was in shock, then all of a sudden he was dead."
At 2:38 a.m., according to Hunterdon County prosecutors, Williams's adopted brother, Santiago, called 911 and reported Christofi's shooting as a suicide. At approximately the same time, a witness told SI, some of Williams's guests saw him and one other man attempting to place Christofi's palm print and fingerprints on the shotgun. Later, according to the witness, Williams changed clothes and disposed of the bloody ones he had been wearing when Christofi was shot.
D. Ocean
Pompano Beach, FLA
05-31-2004 | 01:52 AM
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Re: Fu*%ing Theives
Sheriff Joe Arpaio is his name and I agree with the way he treats criminals some tree huggers are against it....
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05-31-2004 | 02:00 AM
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My understanding is Jason Williams was drunk and "playing" with a shotgun... more precisely a Browning "Citori"... I used to own a Browning Citori... they are made in Japan by Miroku arms... Nice shotgun... but it is a top opening "over and under" double barrel shotgun... Old style double barrel shotguns at one time had two triggers.. one for each barrel... Well... Browning decided that having two triggers was too confusing.. so they invented a safety that could "toggle" between either barrel. This thumb switch is also the safety.. and to toggle from one barrel to the other the safety has to go on... but.... The gun is also equiped with an "inertia" switch... that after either of the barrels is fired... it automatically switches to the other barrel.. so probably what Jason Dumb**** did... and he is a dumb**** for playing with a loaded gun... he cracked the breech shut and the inertia toggled the trigger to the barrel that had a load in .... and with his finger on the trigger while it closed it went off... not unusual with that type of gun... If I was dumb enough to handle my gun in the same manner I could probably get it to misfire.. also.. they found wood chips floating inside the trigger mechanism area... if a tiny speck of wood is lodged in the "sear" area of the trigger.. they WILL go off when closed. Sad chain of events... then Jason Dumb**** tried to cover up his stupidity with another stupid act.Any fourteen year old redneck boy learns that you never point a loaded shotgun at anyone... and because of their nature... you always open the breech when carrying the gun out in the field, because of their nature of misfiring.
05-31-2004 | 06:55 AM
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Re: Fu*%ing Theives
I like the old Troutly....Trooper Troutly.....not the new hard nose LT Krispy Kreme Troutly!! 
Just kiddin' Troutman!! It just seems that if we keep up with all this "poor criminal" $hit, it may be a good life to just go out and take what isn't yours. Hell if you get caught you get a slap on the wrist and PROBATION!!! If you get you A$$ kicked or shot while your stealing someone elses property...then you or your family can sue and become friggin' millionaires and have movies made about how they were so mistreated and abused by the SYSTEM!! I say...... 
Then answer questions later 
Thanks for letting me vent I feel much better now!!
Just kiddin' Troutman!! It just seems that if we keep up with all this "poor criminal" $hit, it may be a good life to just go out and take what isn't yours. Hell if you get caught you get a slap on the wrist and PROBATION!!! If you get you A$$ kicked or shot while your stealing someone elses property...then you or your family can sue and become friggin' millionaires and have movies made about how they were so mistreated and abused by the SYSTEM!! I say...... Then answer questions later Thanks for letting me vent I feel much better now!!
05-31-2004 | 07:33 AM
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Re: Fu*%ing Theives
The law tries to evolve along with society. Unfortunately, it is often behind. It is always trying to look for a balance (remember those scales of justice?). At times, it gets out of balance one way or another and it takes time to get back in balance. This happens through legislation and case law from the courts. It is not perfect and never will be, but it is the best system in the world.
After reading this i just have to say
The scales of justice are so unbalanced it isn't even funny
what should we do when most lawyers have their hand firmly pushing down on the side of the scale that makes the most money
I have a few questions
1) Why do we let prisoners off for good behavior in prison? why not just give them MORE time for bad behavior --this teaches our kids that if we tell them anything it is always negotiable what a dumb premise
2) Why are we all being sued for accidents??? (Auto, Slip and Fall, Hair dryer failed and started a fire) None of which happened because someone wanted it to!!!
If it is truly was done with malice shouldn't we be tried for an ON PURPOSE ???(not an accident)
3) Why is it two guys rob a bank together and they get separate trials ???? (waist of time and money)
4) Everyone touts that they need to stick with the law and the constitution yet why is it when we supposedly have the right to "a speedy trial" is it that some cases it can take years to even get to opening statements doesn't that violate the rules???
4) Why is it anyone can sue for pain and suffering ?? -- Everyday is filled with pain and suffering and the fact that we can sue for it is ridiculous that was designed strictly to bring the lawyers more money
I have about 20 other questions but these will continue the discus ion
By the way one last thing back on track---- If this guy had not killed the intruder but just shot him in the leg would that much have been justified??? or is that considered "excessive force"?
I for one would have shot the basterd in the hand that he had picked up my stuff with
After reading this i just have to say
The scales of justice are so unbalanced it isn't even funny
what should we do when most lawyers have their hand firmly pushing down on the side of the scale that makes the most money
I have a few questions
1) Why do we let prisoners off for good behavior in prison? why not just give them MORE time for bad behavior --this teaches our kids that if we tell them anything it is always negotiable what a dumb premise
2) Why are we all being sued for accidents??? (Auto, Slip and Fall, Hair dryer failed and started a fire) None of which happened because someone wanted it to!!!
If it is truly was done with malice shouldn't we be tried for an ON PURPOSE ???(not an accident)
3) Why is it two guys rob a bank together and they get separate trials ???? (waist of time and money)
4) Everyone touts that they need to stick with the law and the constitution yet why is it when we supposedly have the right to "a speedy trial" is it that some cases it can take years to even get to opening statements doesn't that violate the rules???
4) Why is it anyone can sue for pain and suffering ?? -- Everyday is filled with pain and suffering and the fact that we can sue for it is ridiculous that was designed strictly to bring the lawyers more money
I have about 20 other questions but these will continue the discus ion
By the way one last thing back on track---- If this guy had not killed the intruder but just shot him in the leg would that much have been justified??? or is that considered "excessive force"?
I for one would have shot the basterd in the hand that he had picked up my stuff with
05-31-2004 | 09:48 AM
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His current problem is he left 1 witness alive. Now that jerk-off will say they were there collecting for the United Way when this guy started shooting at them for no reason except for getting him out of bed.
Leave no witness. Then they have to believe my story cause it is the only one available. Simple.
This will be an interesting case in court. Unfortunatly, the poor homeowner is going to get what is not due to him. They will make a point of this and hang this guy out to dry.
Leave no witness. Then they have to believe my story cause it is the only one available. Simple.
This will be an interesting case in court. Unfortunatly, the poor homeowner is going to get what is not due to him. They will make a point of this and hang this guy out to dry.
05-31-2004 | 11:11 AM
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Here in Florida a few years ago my wife was having major problems with her "ex". He's your basic drunk psycho case. He was threatening her, then me that he was coming to our house, damn the cops, the judge, the restraining order, everything. I politely told him that he was welcome to come into the house, just don't act surprised when a .40 calibre "black talon" hit him squarely between the eyes. We then called the Sheriff's department who came to the house. They listened to the threats the idiot left on my wife's voice mail, then they called him to "explain the facts of life". After that the Sheriff's Deputy's were kind enough to school me on the requirements of "a legal shoot".
Basically, you are required to retreat into your home. You are required to make every attempt to dial 911 and state the emergency. You are not allowed to do anything until he steps foot into your home, and you cannot forget to lock the doors requiring him to break in. You have to feel that you are in imminent danger. Once he has broken inside your home and sets the first foot inside, you are allowed to fire. Do not touch anything until the cops get there. And be sure you shoot to kill.
Would I do that? In half a heartbeat. The deputys spent twelve maybe fifteen minutes making sure I had the procedure down so that I did not get myself into trouble. I know have a list made up to follow just in case.
After the Deputys had a talk with Mr. "EX", we never had a problem with him. It might also have had something to do that the deputy was able to convey the message that he personally thought I would shoot him if he in fact did break into our home.
Basically, you are required to retreat into your home. You are required to make every attempt to dial 911 and state the emergency. You are not allowed to do anything until he steps foot into your home, and you cannot forget to lock the doors requiring him to break in. You have to feel that you are in imminent danger. Once he has broken inside your home and sets the first foot inside, you are allowed to fire. Do not touch anything until the cops get there. And be sure you shoot to kill.
Would I do that? In half a heartbeat. The deputys spent twelve maybe fifteen minutes making sure I had the procedure down so that I did not get myself into trouble. I know have a list made up to follow just in case.
After the Deputys had a talk with Mr. "EX", we never had a problem with him. It might also have had something to do that the deputy was able to convey the message that he personally thought I would shoot him if he in fact did break into our home.
05-31-2004 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by HyperBaja
Insurance.
I could see a warning shot, into the ground, but actually shooting someone, even if they have broken into your car as pretty dumb. Your stereo, and damage- 2k. Or, Bail for murder, 300k, then attorney fees, etc.
I could see a warning shot, into the ground, but actually shooting someone, even if they have broken into your car as pretty dumb. Your stereo, and damage- 2k. Or, Bail for murder, 300k, then attorney fees, etc.
