Ben Kramer (whats in a name?)
12-06-2004 | 06:53 AM
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Re: Ben Kramer (whats in a name?)
Originally Posted by tiufb
I think Don shot himself and framed Ben.
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12-06-2004 | 11:14 AM
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Re: Ben Kramer (whats in a name?)
Somehow this little thread has been passing a bit under my radar.
But now that I found it I'll offer up some thoughts.
As ExpressCat 39 summed things up. I do agree wholeheartedly with his sentiments and would add a few of my own.
In the case of our mutual friend, his is not the only penence that is being paid. The wife and the kids have suffered on without a dad and on top of that they have to put up with me visiting as a friend from time to time. That's pretty tough, and even though the best of intentions or perhaps lack of knowledge, may have been behind the mistakes that he made some one is paying the price and unfortunately it's pretty high and it is not just him toting the freight.
In the case of Ben Kramer. I missed that era and really have no reason or desire to revisit it. The fact that he killed a man who may have outwitted him in business really, really, just lowers my opinion of him even more.
I missed Don Aronow too and would have loved to have met him.. Only because I hold his creations in such high regard. Formula, Donzi, Magnum, Cigarette, Squadron 12. USA Cat, and Aronow, that's not saying I thought that he himself was a god. Maybe he was, But thanks to Ben Kramer I'll never get the opportunity to find out for myself.
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Robert Shin
a.k.a. Rice Hauler
But now that I found it I'll offer up some thoughts.
As ExpressCat 39 summed things up. I do agree wholeheartedly with his sentiments and would add a few of my own.
In the case of our mutual friend, his is not the only penence that is being paid. The wife and the kids have suffered on without a dad and on top of that they have to put up with me visiting as a friend from time to time. That's pretty tough, and even though the best of intentions or perhaps lack of knowledge, may have been behind the mistakes that he made some one is paying the price and unfortunately it's pretty high and it is not just him toting the freight.
In the case of Ben Kramer. I missed that era and really have no reason or desire to revisit it. The fact that he killed a man who may have outwitted him in business really, really, just lowers my opinion of him even more.
I missed Don Aronow too and would have loved to have met him.. Only because I hold his creations in such high regard. Formula, Donzi, Magnum, Cigarette, Squadron 12. USA Cat, and Aronow, that's not saying I thought that he himself was a god. Maybe he was, But thanks to Ben Kramer I'll never get the opportunity to find out for myself.
Best,
Robert Shin
a.k.a. Rice Hauler
12-06-2004 | 11:28 AM
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Re: Ben Kramer (whats in a name?)
Which of the following sports had more drug dealers involved
USAC/CART Indy cars ?the Whittington brother(s)
IMSA endurance cars ? John Paul was his name I think, kid kept racing while he served time
Offshore boat racing ? those discussed here.
Recent Olympic track and field and MLB
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USAC/CART Indy cars ?the Whittington brother(s)
IMSA endurance cars ? John Paul was his name I think, kid kept racing while he served time
Offshore boat racing ? those discussed here.
Recent Olympic track and field and MLB
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03-17-2015 | 05:21 PM
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Make it an extra large, it's a Double Feature!
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