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Old 02-27-2005 | 12:14 PM
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You guys are right. Only time will tell. If the boat doesn't perform then I'm sure everyone on here will know.

Best of luck to you.
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Old 02-27-2005 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by offshoredrillin
Hell i'll come up, see if I can wrangle a couple people...As long as Jeffy wears the white socks and slippers...i'm sure they have non-marring bottoms!!
Whether you believe or not that was photoshop.I asked my girl as i thought too that i was wearing white sneakers that day because she had pictures from that day.So screw all of yous.
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Old 02-27-2005 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by lchornet
What have I learned about TMP from this thread.

1. That "TMP racing" needs to answer the questions, as he seems to be a lot better at it than "TotalMP"

2. That they have a great warranty deal

3. If there motors can do as they say, that they have just jumped past people like Sterling and KEPP plus others

4. That instead of posting all sorts of stuff about huge HP engines, they should have been bragging about their lower HP ones, that have great prices, and warranty. THEN after those are shown to be good, they can start jumping on their big HP bandwagon.

5. Expect the questions that you got when you start a thread on OSO called "TMP 1600"

So far, I've been pretty impressed with the answers that "TMP racing" has posted to my questions. He has been calm, and professional. No offense, but some of the other posters need to calm down. When people protest too much, it makes it seem like they have something to hide.

I guess we won't really know what these engines can do till the season gets going, because once the motors are in a boat and out running on the water, all the dyno numbers and HP claims won't mean anything unless the motors can back up the claims.
I'm up to $0.88 cents, trying to get to a dollar.

TMP you started this thread I didn't.
As far as Totalmp he needs to stick to customer relations, not posting tech stuff.
Tmp racing should do all the tech talk
I came on this site to help fellow boaters wade through the BS on this site, weather it be people or advise, and help answer tech questions with what I believe is correct. I'm not selling anything or looking for anyones respect, just facts.

This is for all you potential TMP motor buyers.
This doesn't pertain to your lower HP engines.
If your customer is going to spent 85 to 90 grand on one or your 1600s, then it better have at least spreadport heads, because there's a minimum of 100 cfm on the table if you don't. I'm sorry the object of the game is to move more air and fuel through the motor.
TMP is using inferior heads for the CI and potential HP output probably because it eats into profits. What happens is you have to use more blower output to achieve these high HP rating their talking about. In an endurance app. the engine with the least amount of blower speed to get their targeted HP the better. More blower speed =more heat plain and simple.
As for the lifter stories it sounds like you guy's had some geom. issues your first go around which lead you to believe you needed better lifters. The reason I know this is because I also build RR motors for a living using a lot bigger cams than your talking about and I've used almost everyones lifter. The biggest baddest lifter out their are also heavy, and in endurance engines valvetrain parts must be as light as possible because they sustain high RPM for so long. I don't know what lifters you have but they sound heavy to me.
As far as your computer selection if you noticed at the show Eickerts turbo motors had Accell DFI ecm's. Not what I would choose, but very good units. As far as engine mon. systems and sat. tuning most of your aftermarket ecms now have this. As far as low or high imp. injector cap. Motec ecm's can control anything.
As far as followers you seem to have a few, and you can't get followers without doing or making what you say you will.
If you do produce people will beat your door down and you won't have to post on here to generate business.
I am still skeptical so if you wan't many oso peoples respect I would post more in the tech threads, because the tech threads make this site strong.

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Old 02-27-2005 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JCPERF
Whether you believe or not that was photoshop.I asked my girl as i thought too that i was wearing white sneakers that day because she had pictures from that day.So screw all of yous.
ok ok, we belieb you...at least you didnt have on a wifebeater, or had your hair done up Gotti style
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Old 02-27-2005 | 12:51 PM
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ok, I cant not sit on this any longer. back in the day speedometers were water pressure and you could fudge them pretty easily, and now everyone thinks that gps is exact, truly gps is accurate but the ones they are using in some of these boats are not yes you read that right GPS CAN BE FUDGED.

Here is a pic of a gps speedo that shows 138mph, I can guarantee you that this boat has never been that speed, on water or on trailer. so I do not believe anyone on the speed there gps speedo shows. I have a handheld gps that I can get in vehicles and test and according to the 40-50 vehicles I have been in it is very accurate, but then I get in a boat with a gps speedo and they tell me that mine does not show as high because mine has lag, that is the biggest bunch of bull I have ever heard. I have had them as far off as 121 mph on there gps to 91 on mine. And that one I can guarantee you my gps was right because I have been 90 alot and 121 some and there is a big difference in those.
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Old 02-27-2005 | 12:59 PM
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when I was at the miami boat show I confronted gaffrig about the gps speedo problem and they said it could not happen and that it must have been a different brand of speedo but as the pic shows it was gaffrig. lying bunch of @#!$%@#$#@@$%^&@ers
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Old 02-27-2005 | 01:09 PM
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Nobody, you are right, we are leaving some power on the table by not using the Pontiac heads. In our situation, they create more problems than they solve. They are hard on valvetrain components and the Indy manifold must be machined to accept the Whipple intercooler, since the water fittings come in through the front. I need the valvetrain to last for 100 hours. We are not trying to make max hp, just enough. I don't know if you are familiar with the Whipples, but they are a different animal then a roots. They are more efficient and do not generate the heat that a roots does. The intercooler does an excellent job of removing the heat. The 1400 has never seen over 130 degrees of intake air temp, even at 13 psi boost.
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Old 02-27-2005 | 01:13 PM
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We do have a few followers on this site because we gave everything that they paid for. We will continue to do it for many years to come. Only time will prevent the skepticism. Hopefully we can have this conversation 10 years from now, and it may go a little differently.
I do answer some tech questions when I can. If anyone needs a quicker response, they can always reach me at the shop.
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Old 02-27-2005 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Game On
I dont have a dog in this fight either, but it seems to me everyone seems to be jumping the gun on calling BS. Up to date, everything TMPs stated has been non-disputed by their customers (even the 1400's that were dyno'd, which was posted on here). Only people I see disputing anything, are the ones pi$$ed off beacuse TMP doesnt want to get into specific details about the engine.


These guys have done nothing but be upfront with anyone they have dealt with, if you doubt them, go down to see them, they have extended the invitation plenty of times.

Bottom line...I havent seen any customers complain, only other engine builders.

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Old 02-27-2005 | 03:59 PM
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I think we should give the guys at TMP a break. They seem to be building a good product with happy customers. We all know we could use some more competition for Mercury to bring their prices down to earth.
Everyone has their own opinion on what works, doesn't work, etc... let's see what happens in the near future with their products. Jassman and Nor-tech are well respected her on OSO and are very happy with TMP.
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