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I'll give you 1 thing TMP you can take a lickn and keep on tickn.
Me on the other hand would have to shoot somebody.

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JC,

We can absolutely yield 1600+ with this set up. You're welcome to fly in for the dyno runs. We've worked with Whipple to develop this combination, and everyone is confident in both the #'s and reliability. If we fail, you'll be the 1st to know.

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As you can see from my post numbers, I don't post very often. Sorry but I am very busy. I am co-owner of TMP with Steve. I do all of the engine assembly. So I will answer as many of your questions as I can. No one from TMP ever claimed to be the best in the world. However, we are very damn good at what we do. We are also very proud of what we do. We post pictures on this website for feedback, both good and bad, because we value peoples opinions. I dare you to find any one on this site or any other site to say they have one of our engines that failed. It won't happen. Not to say it never will, but it hasn't.
We also do not claim to know everything. In developing these motors, I spent more hours then I care to remember researching parts, combinations etc.As for the claim that we use other peoples combinations, that could not be farther from the truth. When we built the motors in Cyclone and decided to use the MEFI computer, I found out who was the best with programming that computer and hired him to help me. I can certainly do it myself, but I know when someone is better. The motors were dynoed at GT Performance, but neither Gary nor any of his employees had anything to do with the motors. We simply used his facility. The program that resulted from those motors has been used by Gary, Whipple,etc. Sterling recieved a ton of help with his new quadrotor efi from Whipple in the form of the program that we developed. The program has been refined over the past few years, but it still the same base program that we developed on Cyclone's motors.
As far as the lifters are concerned, the company asked us not to release their name and I am going to respect that. As soon as the lifters are available to the public, I will be glad to tell you what they are. I have tried every hyd. lifter out there and seen them all fail. The first 1400hp had Crane lifters that made it through the 7 days and 20 hours of dyno time it took to develop that program. Three failed shortly after putting the motors in the boat. I switched to Morels and Comps with the same result. These lifters solved my problem.The first set lasted 98 hrs with the motors back and forth between 1200 and 1400. The second set lasted 110 hrs. at 1400. They may not be the greatest, most top secret lifters in the world, but they work for me. You show me another hyd. roller lifter that will live with well over 260 deg. of duration and almost .700 lift. There have been only 8 sets of these lifters to leave their facility, and we have them all. The testing has been going on for about 2 1/2 yrs. not 3. Each time we rebuild, we send the lifters, cam, pushrods valves etc. back to be tested for harmonics etc. until they fail. At that point, they are updated and the new set is sent to us. They also do their own concurrent testing. This is a specialized lifter that is very expensive and the company wants to know that they will work when they produce a million pieces. They have a great lifter on the market already that you all know, so their business does not hinge on this lifter, thats how they can take so much time developing it.
As far as the hp, you will have a hard time making that power with a carb. or any other computer system. Show me a carb. motor that can run over 41 deg of timing at over 4000 rpm and over 35 deg. of timing under 13+ pounds of boost. No one will argue that blower motors like timing, so we give it what it wants. The key is that we have a computer that will take out only as much timing as it needs to in order to stop detonation and richen the motor in the process. If knock gets to bad, the motor will go into a safe mode with a 2500 rpm rev limiter. A carb. motor, or one with a lesser computer system, would have blown up a long time ago. If you have never used the MEFI computer, I could see why those hp claims seem outragous.
Why do you think that Merc. used it. It is the best.
We are not trying to compete with anyone, but will put our motor against anything out there. We have hit on a winning combination. Sterling is great at what he does. He seems to focus more on the race circuit and that is great. We never tried to compare to him because we are not doing the same thing. We can build all of the race motors that you want. It sounds like a pretty good gig. Rebuild them after every race for about 30 grand whether they break or not and not give a warranty. That is not what we are in to.
Simply put, we are not the best, but we are one of the smartest. Find who makes the best valvetrain parts and use them, find who is the best at fine tuning the computer and put them on the payroll, and you get the idea.
All of this comes together to make one hell of a motor.
I'm sure that I did not address everything, but please ask it again.

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My hats off to ya.

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What about the lifters I asked about this morning??..Top secret??

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ddd Top secret! I can read!

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First the HP of the engine has nothing to do with weather the lifters will fail. That is det. by the amount a lift and lobe aggressiveness. You should spend more time in researching cam profiles than space age lifters if your running HYD. setups.
Most people think that lifter failures come from high spring pressures, just not so. Most failures come from valve bounce.
Any one who builds endurance engines knows you have to have a cam profile that will keep the valve train happy not a superduper lifter.
I currently run nose pressures in excess of 1000IBS with stupid agg. cam profiles, but that is what you have to have in short burst motors. So lifters are a big concern.
But in marine type engines your going for good valve train harmonics to make the valve train live not superdooper lifters.
The only proper way to check this is on a spintron.
Surly you have invested time and money into checking your combo's this way.

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I've got a question for ya
What is the most lift and dur. you can get away with with a hyd. setup, and how much RPM before it starts valve bounce or valve float?

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Ill jump on this too.How much boost to make 1600HP?how many lbs. of fuel at this level?

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:evilb: :D

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3000HP :D :evilb:

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Nobody, your right, hp has nothing to do with the lifters failing. I never said that it did. You need enough spring pressure to overcome the valve bouncing off the seat and to keep the lifter following the cam. We are running a pretty aggressive profile for a hyd. roller. The problem is that all other lifters had the plunger collapsing under spring pressures exceeding 430 lbs. Like I said, I tried them all and these are the only ones that live. With our current setup, valve float occurs at 6500. Actually, the worst harmonics happen at 3100 rpm, which is unusal for a big block, since most I have seen are in the 4000-4500 rpm range. This is great because the motor never runs for sustained periods at that rpm.
The Motronics is a great computer. It does not have the knock protection that the MEFI has. That computer would make life a lot easier. It has the ability to run low impedance injecters that are available to well over 100 lb/hr, where the MEFI only runs high impedance injecters that are only available to 65 lb/hr. When we did the first motors, no one knew if the drivers in the MEFI computer would drive 5 injecters. Needless to say it did.
Not many people use the MEFI because they don't have the ability to program it. It is also a very complicated program.
Sutphen, the motors made 1200 0n 91 octane and 1400 on 100 octane. That has been posted several times and has not changed. You might want to check things out before making accusations.

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I don't have a dog in this fight but "Nobody" and lchornet would be a lot more credible if there profiles weren't blank. It's easy to talk trash when no one knows who you are. :D

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1chornet, the boat is Cyclone. It has been in several magazines, the last being Hotboat with a picture of the GPS speedo at 174 mph. There are two more going in a 43 Nortech as we speak. The customer was present when the motors were dynoed so if they did not make the power, I'm sure you would have heard about it since he is a member of this site. Another pair is going in a 36 Nortech with a full canopy.

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1chornet, one other thing. Our warranty is all inclusive and every customer gets a copy signed by us and the customer. It is very brief and to the point without a bunch of lawyer talk so it is easy to understand. No where in the warranty is the word abuse.

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Don't want you to know me, I don't need anything from you.
Hell I don't even have a cell phone, because people would call me all hours of the night.
Not trying to be a dick , but if you really knew me you would understand why I'm this way.
Some people on here know who I really am and I doubt you could get them to say who I was.
Not hiding from anything, just here I can regulate who talks to me and who doesn't.

One of the reasons I joined this sight was to call out all the bullshi##ers and see who's for real or for fake, and try to help people with tech. questions.
That's all I'm here for. I'm not selling anything or looking for your respect.

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Think you could answer the head gasket question?

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Cometic

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How many lbs. of boost for 1600 and 1800HP?

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Very good gaskets. See how much easier it is answering questions than steering clear of them.

I'm pretty sure Sterling's have nitrogen filled aluminum o-rings for gaskets, but I think that's overkill. Used cometic's on all my big HP projects. Good choice.

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i see you post alot about what you can do... i run about 8 to 10 pokerruns a year never seen NOBODY on any valvecovers :rolleyes: . maybe if tmp put some "tubes" on it it would make more hp :D

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If I can give you guy's advise(not that you would want it from me), don't try to hide what's in your motors or people will always be skeptical. Just tell the truth and people will respect you more for that.
My 2 cents

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I love the Cometics and would not use anything else in big hp applications. I am not afraid to answer basic questions about the motors, but I will not give away cam specs etc. because it took a long time to hit it right. It cost a lot of time and money and I won't give it away. I love to talk about motors and boats and could do it all day. I don't have a lot of time to spend on the computer because I am so busy. The last set of 1200/1400 for the 43 Nortech took me almost 400 man hours from start to finish. I am very meticulous, but it pays in the end. I will be glad to answer any questions over the phone. Just call the shop.

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No tubes wouldn't make any motor faster unless the were connected to big fuc#en turbos.
As far as poker runs I've seen you at a couple too, bet you don't know who I am or do ya.

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1chornet,
THE 1200/1400 IS A HYD ROLLER
THE 1600 IS A SOLID ROLLER

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I dont have a dog in this fight either, but it seems to me everyone seems to be jumping the gun on calling BS. Up to date, everything TMPs stated has been non-disputed by their customers (even the 1400's that were dyno'd, which was posted on here). Only people I see disputing anything, are the ones pi$$ed off beacuse TMP doesnt want to get into specific details about the engine.


These guys have done nothing but be upfront with anyone they have dealt with, if you doubt them, go down to see them, they have extended the invitation plenty of times.

Bottom line...I havent seen any customers complain, only other engine builders.

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I asked a simple question.no answer

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i concur about the turbos.. as far as who you are don't be so sure ;) anyways next run bring a boat with your motors in it we would love to show you what kieth is about..

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No but if you are so knowledgeable and so intent on bashing TMP then why not let everyone know who you are?

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Nobody, not trying to hide what is in the engine. Most customers don't know or don't care about the lifters or the camshaft or the muffler bearing as long as it runs, or if by some chance the thing breaks that we will fix it. If they know that much about engines, they would probably build it themselves. Every customer gets a build sheet with all of the parts that are in their particular engines, all specs including, but not limited to, bearing clearances,ring gap, crank and cam endplay, torque specs,piston to cylinder clearance, cam degree etc. etc. etc. This is just in case they take it to one of our dealers or someone of their choice, instead of sending all the way back to us. They also get the dyno sheet for that motor.

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You might just see me this summer, maybe I'll bring a name tag, but then again I didn't bring one to the OSO party.
I was also at the Florida power boat party, but didn't make the cig party, I was at the CROWBAR.(HOT CHICKS)

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No answer?must be 24 lbs. of boost

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Jc
The 1600 needs 14-14.5 pounds of boost
The 1800 needs 18-18.5 pounds of boost

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Ive never bashed you guy's before. If I was out to bash you I would of did it in front of everyone at the show.
The only reason I gave you s##t was because of all the secrets, and all of the question avoiding, if you look I never asked you for cam specs. of even head flow. Just about the lifters and head gaskets.
I don't think keeping the lifters a secret will help you in engine manuf. comp., but thats your choice.
If your worried about people coping your engine tell them everything they need to know to fail, and if there stupid they will follow every word you say.

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TMP (steven), you started the thread. I would just delete it so your jealous competition can go to bed. However it has made for some good ol' OSO reading. Just like the old days, huh, Jeff?

I've talked to Jassby and Randy Sweers and both have been very positive about your engines. We are definitely interested in seeing what you can stuff under our engine hatches this next year as well.

At least we know who you are and how to reach you. Talk to you next
week, Pat.

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Thanks

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Hey Pat,
Glad to see you on here. We would love to build some motors for that new boat. Look forward to hearing from you soon. You certainly know how to reach us.

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Yeah, the wife's out of town and I have no life so I was checking out the board and saw you were the whipping boy today.

I feel your pain, my brother.

Nice job with the Northechs. You've done well.

You know what's up with us so let's see what we can put together for this coming year. Jassby told me you would install the first three sets for free if we used his name. Is this true?

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I've no horse in this race either, Steve I have spoken to you and liked what you said, your customers seem to be very happy and you now have the ear of quality people like Pat from AT/Chief, and Terry at Nortech.

JC, I enjoy your posts as well, sense of humor is great and by working for Zul, obviously you have a great set of hands and mind to complement his shop.

Mr. Nobody, choosing to rmain anon is fine, and I thinnk that your curiosity has been somewhat satisfied, although High HP claims have always been met with cynicism and disbelief as long as drag racing and tests of speed have been around. It's that same pioneering spirit that made Vic Edelbrock Sr and the likes of Don Garlits strive for the next level. How many people looked at the original swamp rat with looks of disdain, to now have TF cars well over 300mph.
Yes TMP does come on here and talk about their new developments and they are entitled to their trade secrets. I seem to remember robert yates leaving a building with a manifold wrapped to keep from prying eyes. If everyone stuck to the same guidelines all the time where would the Gentry Eagle fit in? Who would set the next barrier to be broken?

I see 3 people that have knowledge and a desire to build high HP, sure egos are envolved, but it's that same drive that makes each of you wanting to win the next race or poker run. We all know no matter how good something is built, $hit happens, many a top race cars sat on a line cause of a smoked clutch, drag boats throw belts and lose races as well.

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Pat, can't wait I will send the bill to jeff.