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Miami Show TMP1600
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Here are a few pics of the new TMP1600. This engine is 598c.i. and features only the best parts available. It includes the new 3.3 liter Whipple Superchargers w/ MOAC intercooler,custom designed EFI system, a custom built SS fuel system, 5 stage custom built dry sump system, etc. This engine uses a solid roller camshaft, with custom built lifters that have a built in pressurized oil system. In a race application, it is capable of 1800+HP.
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Dayum. :cool:
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Man that looks killer!!!!
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$$$$
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Thanks to all. Look for several of these on the poker run circuit. As with our 1200/1400, the life expectancy is twice that of anything on the market. We expect to get around 100 hrs out of these at 1600+.
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Saw your engines at the Miami show, and they (and the girls) looked GREAT!
I'm sure you will avoid a lot of the doubters here if you can give us a few more details regarding the power and life of these monsters. Can you please write here, where and under what conditions the engines produced 1600 & 1800 HP? I know these numbers were on race gas so what could we expect with 93? Would the engines need a separate EFI computer when running race and 93? Regarding the EFI, you said you have a custom system. Is this something new to the market? I know of EFI Tech, Autronics (sp?) and the Mercury MEFI's. It would be nice to know if you are able to custom tune for specific boat applications. I think the big question here besides power is life. Why do you think your 1600 engine will live 100 hours? That would be a HUGE jump in longevity when it comes to your competitors. I don't recall if you were going to offer a warranty on the 1600's. If so, what failures would be covered and not? Also, any rebuilds included? Thanks for taking the time to answer these questions. I'm sure they will help those of us that would love to get a pair of these poker run killers! |
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The 1600's are a race style engine. They run on 110 octane. They are solid roller, and include Jesel valve train and belt drive. The lifters are custom built and include a built in pressurized oil system. The heads are Dart Pro 1's with a custom CNC program followed by hand polishing. We use whipple 3.3 quad rotors w/ MOAC intercooler. The computer system is a Mefi4, with a custom built harness dual IAC controls, engine monitoring system and safe mode. We also have a custom built fuel system includng SS regulator. These engines will be tested in the new 36 NorTech canopy boat. We will have a built in computer system in dash that will allow us to monitor, record and adjust engine vitals as we run in real time. There will also be a satellite internet system that will allow for data transfer to our facility in real time also.
We offer a similar engine on 91 octane pump gas, that does 1200HP, and 1400 on 100 octane fuel. This engine is hydraulic roller, and makes power at 6000RPM's. We could do around 1300HP in a solid roller version of this engine. We also offer a 1075HP that makes power at 5100RPM's, and includes a 6 month warranty. We have been working closely with Dustin Whipple on the development of these new engines, and have had great success. The biggest reason our engines are so reliable versus others is the valve train and engine monitoring system. Most engines fail do to a fuel problem, ie. fuel pressure, bad gas, etc. Our engine will protect itself in the event this occurs. Feel free to call us if you would like more info, as there is alot to write. We are happy to work with anyone interested. Thanks, Steve |
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Whats one of those babys cost? :eek:
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Great stuff! I look forward to the experiences with these motors.
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Each engine will be priced according to customer's application. Estimated cost will be around 85-90K w/ Big tubes, accessories, etc. We also send a tech to aid in the installation of all of our engines.
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Ill just take some simple warrantied 900's :cool: Jeff
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I can only imagine what that 3600 Nortech will run with a pair of 1600's???
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Thanks for the info.
Since race gas is hard to come by during most poker runs here on the bay, the 91 versions would be best for my application. Could you post some dyno information on the engines? I found some of your recent posts stating that you didn't have your own dyno and was wondering who tested the engines. The remote data monitoring in right up my alley. Our company has been using both cdma and cdpa data services for remote equipment monitoring but have not yet heard of a satellite based system for use in small mobile application. Care to share? |
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We are finishing the details to build our new facility. These engines were dynoed at GT Performance. I will post the dyno sheets when I get back in the office on Mon. I also have a video of them on the dyno that I need to upload to the site. I cannot share the details of our computer system until the new boat is finished, but you should be able to see it all in action this summer.
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Originally Posted by totalmp
The 1600's are a race style engine. They run on 110 octane. They are solid roller, and include Jesel valve train and belt drive. The lifters are custom built and include a built in pressurized oil system. The heads are Dart Pro 1's with a custom CNC program followed by hand polishing. We use whipple 3.3 quad rotors w/ MOAC intercooler. The computer system is a Mefi4, with a custom built harness dual IAC controls, engine monitoring system and safe mode. We also have a custom built fuel system includng SS regulator. These engines will be tested in the new 36 NorTech canopy boat. We will have a built in computer system in dash that will allow us to monitor, record and adjust engine vitals as we run in real time. There will also be a satellite internet system that will allow for data transfer to our facility in real time also.
We offer a similar engine on 91 octane pump gas, that does 1200HP, and 1400 on 100 octane fuel. This engine is hydraulic roller, and makes power at 6000RPM's. We could do around 1300HP in a solid roller version of this engine. We also offer a 1075HP that makes power at 5100RPM's, and includes a 6 month warranty. We have been working closely with Dustin Whipple on the development of these new engines, and have had great success. The biggest reason our engines are so reliable versus others is the valve train and engine monitoring system. Most engines fail do to a fuel problem, ie. fuel pressure, bad gas, etc. Our engine will protect itself in the event this occurs. Feel free to call us if you would like more info, as there is alot to write. We are happy to work with anyone interested. Thanks, Steve If not can you explain in detail the pressurized oiling system in your lifters? |
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Strap in guys.....you are also going to see one of the fastest 388 hustlers out on the poker run circuit this year that will be TMP powered coupled to Arneson's. It will be completed by the first of the summer.
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Lifters??
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Originally Posted by sutphen30
who makes the x lifter your talking about?
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Originally Posted by sutphen30
well i did a little research,,i guess your not the only one that has these one off oiled rollers in their lifters.seems isky does to and supposedly have it across all the roler lifters from whats on theit site.pretty good read here
http://www.iskycams.com/redzone.php and most of us here know morels making them for isky. :D below was taken from iski's home page on making rollers live. 4. EMPLOY LIFTERS WITH "PRESSURE-FED" OIL TO THE NEEDLE ROLLER BEARINGS: Hope is a good thing. But hoping oil will eventually find its way to your Roller Lifter bearings is not. Unfortunately, most roller lifters on the market do not pressure feed oil to the needle rollers, depending on the "splash & a little luck" system instead. In contrast, all Isky Roller Lifters feature pressure fed oil to their roller bearings. Isky's Top of the line "Red Zone" Series lifters feature an exclusive 3-Point "Multi-Port" oiling system to constantly bathe the needle rollers with cooling lubrication. Additionally, they feature our famous Marathon Roller bearing with the toughest shock absorbing heavy duty outer bearing race on the market for the highest possible load carrying capability and sustained Hi-Rpm Endurance. And, they're fully rebuildable, making them your best long-term value! I've never thought that red zone lifters were hard to get , or that people would try to keep them a secret. I just was curious if they were using the new roller x lifter, because I haven't tried them yet. They don't run an axle on the roller and use pressurized oil to hold the roller of the seat. |
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Great looking engines!
Huge horsepower, makes me wonder how much a 6a SSM can handle? |
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Originally Posted by thunderusone
Strap in guys.....you are also going to see one of the fastest 388 hustlers out on the poker run circuit this year that will be TMP powered coupled to Arneson's. It will be completed by the first of the summer.
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The 1600 is a race style engine. It is designed for those who've been running race gas engines with less power. The biggest benefit is that there's an engine monitoring system with a safe mode as well as full knock sensor. You're right several builders can build this much power, but we're doing it very reliably. As for the lifters, they're not Isky or X, we've worked with a manufacturer for 3 yrs testing their new offerings before they are introduced. In return for our testing, they develop custom sets for our large engines using the information gained by post 100 hr analysis. Each time we freshen a set of engines, the lifters are returned, inspected and the design is improved as needed.
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Jessel big wheels...they are not out yet..are they?? The 1 inch wheel??
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I've actually seen lifters that had 2 rollers inside the lifter to dist the load.
1 thing I want to point out is the bigger the roller, the bigger the shafts, the bigger the axle brgs., the bigger the lifter, you add weight plain and simple. In a motor making big power you have more cam lift, more aggressive profiles, more spring pressure, and of course more RPM. None of the lifters with anything bigger decrease the weight of the lifter. More weight is BADDDDD! The Schubeck at least has a design to lower the weight , and use something no one else has tried. Maybe you guys are with the wrong lifter company. I hate to say if your the only one getting these super spytec lifters, that company selling them to you better have deep pockets if your the only one buying them. How many motors have you sold? If I was the company selling you the lifters I would be telling everybody how good they work so more people would buy them and I won't go out of business. |
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Buy the way what type of head gaskets are you using on that 1600? I hope you can answer this one, because I know about every kind of head gasket out there and if it will last at those kind of cyl pressures.
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How do you make 1600 to 1800 HP with chevy style heads when the best Sterling piece can barely make 1500 with big chief [Pontiac] style heads?
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Originally Posted by JCPERF
How do you make 1600 to 1800 HP with chevy style heads when the best Sterling piece can barely make 1500 with big chief [Pontiac] style heads?
You can actually make that much with 23 deg. heads if the (blower- turbo) is big enough and eff. enough. I personally find it hard to believe the blowers their running would do anything over 1500 with those style heads and reasonable boost. To make more supercharged HP you have to make more NA HP bottom line. You can only make so much with standard port heads, no matter how much CI you have. |
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Originally Posted by NOBODY
Good point.
You can actually make that much with 23 deg. heads if the (blower- turbo) is big enough and eff. enough. I personally find it hard to believe the blowers their running would do anything over 1500 with those style heads and reasonable boost. To make more supercharged HP you have to make more NA HP bottom line. You can only make so much with standard port heads, no matter how much CI you have. |
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Originally Posted by JCPERF
In my experience, I havent seen an engine run efficiently over 1500 HP with gasoline.It was usually on alcohol or a mix.
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Originally Posted by JCPERF
In my experience, I havent seen an engine run efficiently over 1500 HP with gasoline.It was usually on alcohol or a mix.
The size and eff. of the turbos and intercooler is the main issue. All the ones I've done run ice water intercoolers. |
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Originally Posted by Jassman
New technology is out, its amazing that you can get 100 plus hours out of a TMP 1400, break it down, anylize it, and throw away perfectly good looking parts. Ive seen it with my own eyes. :cool: Jeff
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Originally Posted by Jassman
New technology is out, its amazing that you can get 100 plus hours out of a TMP 1400, break it down, anylize it, and throw away perfectly good looking parts. Ive seen it with my own eyes. :cool: Jeff
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Originally Posted by NOBODY
I've done many turbo motors over 1500 HP with race gasoline.
The size and eff. of the turbos and intercooler is the main issue. All the ones I've done run ice water intercoolers. |
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Originally Posted by JCPERF
I dont doubt a turbo can make that.A blower motor probably robs about 300HP when making 1400HP when you have to turn a blower.
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We have been working with several companies to develop engines that raise the bar. Two years ago, everyone swore that you couldn't make big power with a hydraulic roller. Now we're doing over 1400 that lives for 100+ hrs. These new engines are our latest attempt to better the sport by offering bigger more reliable HP. The boat will campaign around the country with these engines, where they will be put to the test. The majority of the components are prototype, but have yielded awesome results so far. We're not trying to compete with anyone but ourselves. We do this because we love the sport. The same reason all of you do it, and we commend, not criticize those who are doing the same.
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Originally Posted by totalmp
We have been working with several companies to develop engines that raise the bar. Two years ago, everyone swore that you couldn't make big power with a hydraulic roller. Now we're doing over 1400 that lives for 100+ hrs. These new engines are our latest attempt to better the sport by offering bigger more reliable HP. The boat will campaign around the country with these engines, where they will be put to the test. The majority of the components are prototype, but have yielded awesome results so far. We're not trying to compete with anyone but ourselves. We do this because we love the sport. The same reason all of you do it, and we commend, not criticize those who are doing the same.
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Originally Posted by JCPERF
I am not criticizing, I was am curious how you guys make these numbers when every big engine builder in the country cant come close to those numbers with chevy style heads.I have been in this business for a long time and see the latest technology.At Zuls, we have had pretty much every top engine builders motors on our dyno [Mercury,Cobra, Sterling ETC] and these #s you proclaim are whey out of this world.I am just wondering what boat everyone missed and how you guys make this power with the parts you have and how they live 100 hours on top of it.
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Originally Posted by NOBODY
They should higher you as their spokesperson.
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what componets are prototype other than the lifters?
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