Go Back  Offshoreonly.com > Technical > General Q & A
Another build dyno'd today. Whippled 509. >

Another build dyno'd today. Whippled 509.

Notices

Another build dyno'd today. Whippled 509.

Thread Tools
 
Old 01-19-2015, 09:51 PM
  #11  
Registered
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: FredVegas, Va
Posts: 1,037
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by SB
That 850 must have been struggling airflow wise.
Agreed, that or there was a flame arrestor on it that was too small.
TooLateVTEC is offline  
Old 01-19-2015, 09:58 PM
  #12  
Registered
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: chicago
Posts: 11,332
Received 71 Likes on 39 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by SB
That 850 must have been struggling airflow wise.
Mike and I both said we would have went with a dominator had it been our build. That was one of the reasons we thought it would have been power limited.

I really had nothing to do with this build myself. Mike is a close friend so anything he's messing with, I pretty much stick my nose in.
MILD THUNDER is offline  
Old 01-19-2015, 11:44 PM
  #13  
Registered
iTrader: (1)
 
KAAMA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Western Michigan
Posts: 4,464
Received 78 Likes on 47 Posts
Default

Very impressive....especially with those chit GM cast iron junk heads and only one carb---nice work guys!
KAAMA is offline  
Old 01-19-2015, 11:47 PM
  #14  
Registered
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: wisconsin
Posts: 688
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Very nice job... What is the static compression? I also noticed that the AFR was about where I like them (11.7) but I thought Mike like to see 10's?? I m sure that will be adjusted in the boat, but would love to have see what the numbers would be at with AFR in the 10's.
Bawana is offline  
Old 01-20-2015, 12:02 AM
  #15  
Registered
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: yorkville,il
Posts: 8,427
Received 87 Likes on 49 Posts
Default

no need to run the a/f ratio in the 10s at this hp level.it is leaving the dyno with a safe tune that will no doubt be ritcher in the 5500 lb boat.it will have the a/f ratio checked on the madin voige.yes,imo the carb&flame arrester are to small but it is what he had.the heads had the valve job and bowl blending done on a neuen cnc head machine and i believe that helped a lot with the numbers.when it is in the owners budget it will get a set of afr305s and a much larger carb.it was run on bp 93.
mike tkach is offline  
Old 01-20-2015, 05:48 AM
  #16  
Gold Member
Gold Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Full Force's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Olmsted Falls,Ohio Marblehead,Oh
Posts: 11,634
Likes: 0
Received 204 Likes on 132 Posts
Default

It's amazing how much air carbs will flow under boost at times.... I really wish my buddy Lake Effect would dyno his engines with prochargers... 353 formula at 107, gotta be making 800 hp...
Full Force is offline  
Old 01-20-2015, 06:21 AM
  #17  
Registered
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: chicago
Posts: 11,332
Received 71 Likes on 39 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Bawana
Very nice job... What is the static compression? I also noticed that the AFR was about where I like them (11.7) but I thought Mike like to see 10's?? I m sure that will be adjusted in the boat, but would love to have see what the numbers would be at with AFR in the 10's.
I believe they came in around 8.7:1

From what Ive seen on the dyno with various roots blower engines, air fuel ratio doesnt kill power like you think it would. Icdedppl's blown 540s with 10-71's made there best power at 11.5. On some, the difference from 11.0 to 12.0, was like 10hp, which on a 900hp means almost nothing. At least in a boat.

Leaning them down, also doesnt equate to more power. When dynoing my engines, the baseline jetting was way too lean. At 6000RPM, and 12.9 AFR, HP was 788. Jetting it up, 12.2AFR, picked up 5HP, to 793HP at 6000. I picked up about 5hp, and 6ftlbs of torque with the larger jets.

In the boat, I've ran mine from low 12's at wot, high 11's at wot, and low 11's at wot. Boat runs the fastest with them in the low 11's. I think the little extra fuel seems to keep things cooler. I cracked the porcelin on a plug with 12.5 AFR. Cruising, my AFR is around 12.0 currently, around 12.5ish at idle, and low 11's at wot. The transom is always clean.

I think the key is finding a setup that work for each engine. Maybe it stays together at 12.0 AFR wot, with retarding the timing, or maybe it makes more power at 11.3, without retarding the timing. I run 34* total on my engines. I'd rather have a little more fuel and a little more timing at wot, vs a little less fuel and less timing, my gut tells me the exhaust valves will like it better that way.

Last edited by MILD THUNDER; 01-20-2015 at 06:24 AM.
MILD THUNDER is offline  
Old 01-20-2015, 06:23 AM
  #18  
Registered
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: chicago
Posts: 11,332
Received 71 Likes on 39 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Full Force
It's amazing how much air carbs will flow under boost at times.... I really wish my buddy Lake Effect would dyno his engines with prochargers... 353 formula at 107, gotta be making 800 hp...
This carb really isnt "under boost" so to speak. Its still a draw thru. Now, on a procharger setup, heck ya. You can make 1200+hp with a single 4150 carb.

On this particular engine, while it made very good power, I would have like to seen it get pulled with a 1050 or 1150 dominator. I'd be willing to bet a case of beer the numbers would have picked up a little.
MILD THUNDER is offline  
Old 01-20-2015, 07:21 AM
  #19  
Charter Member #927
Charter Member
 
Payton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: IN
Posts: 4,834
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Very impressive guys! Congrats
Payton is offline  
Old 01-20-2015, 07:47 AM
  #20  
Gold Member
Gold Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Full Force's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Olmsted Falls,Ohio Marblehead,Oh
Posts: 11,634
Likes: 0
Received 204 Likes on 132 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
This carb really isnt "under boost" so to speak. Its still a draw thru. Now, on a procharger setup, heck ya. You can make 1200+hp with a single 4150 carb.

On this particular engine, while it made very good power, I would have like to seen it get pulled with a 1050 or 1150 dominator. I'd be willing to bet a case of beer the numbers would have picked up a little.
Gotcha I thought it was the same either way, I am not super educated on blowers haha I learn more all the time
Full Force is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.