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Old 01-28-2015 | 07:45 PM
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They way I see it, whatever the engine, whatever the combination, its all about preventing failure. If an engine can run at 12:1 and not fail, then thats good. If another engine needs 10.5:1 to not fail, then thats good as well.

My goal is not to speculate on GM on what they did wrong, nor mercury racing, or what they did right. I aim my posts at the average do it yourselfer, like myself. For the guy building a home built supercharged marine engine. Some of these topics, can be beneficial to them. While the 1075 lives at the air fuel ratio it does, it is certainly not the target for the guy running a 177 blower on a 502 with a carb and no knock protection, no intercooler, poor fuel distribution, etc. Many guys over the years have burnt pistons, valves etc, due to lean conditions before widebands were available. They thought the plugs looked fine, so it had to be something else causing it. Next thing they are running 28* timing, to keep it together, which really was a band aid to the tune.

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Old 01-28-2015 | 08:27 PM
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one thing that has not been mentioned yet is the heat soaking of the innercooler and the combustion chaimber. in a v btm boat with throttles at wot for longer runs.an engine may be fine at 3 minutes of wot but what about 10 or 15 minutes?
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Old 01-28-2015 | 08:46 PM
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So if they are running so rich how the heck do they get a claimed 29MPG highway?
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Old 01-28-2015 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta
So if they are running so rich how the heck do they get a claimed 29MPG highway?
because the highway EPA cycles include a lot of light throttle cruise speeds
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Old 01-28-2015 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta
So if they are running so rich how the heck do they get a claimed 29MPG highway?
Crusie is not 50-60% throttle with very heavy load, like a lot of boats are.

I'll take a stab at it, but it probably only takes 35-45hp for a Vette to cruise at 65mph. So,,,,very light throttle, very high vacuum, very little oxygen/fuel in that combustion chamber....ie:very low cylinder pressure.
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Old 01-28-2015 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta
So if they are running so rich how the heck do they get a claimed 29MPG highway?
we are talking about wot a/f ratio.
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Old 01-28-2015 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by mike tkach
we are talking about wot a/f ratio.
Right, but early on he said starting at 4000 RPM the AFR was 10.7. Does it drop to an AFR of 13 at cruise speed if it isnt under stress?
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Old 01-28-2015 | 09:36 PM
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If its in closed loop at 11 to 1 i may have to see what they are using for primary o2s on those
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Old 01-28-2015 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta
Right, but early on he said starting at 4000 RPM the AFR was 10.7. Does it drop to an AFR of 13 at cruise speed if it isnt under stress?
i,m pretty sure those ratio,s are at wot,yes if you are crusing at 4000 rpm and not at wot i think the a/f ratio will go much leaner.
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Old 01-29-2015 | 12:05 AM
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I would wonder what the AFR's are for the Vette to pass emissions for CA & Carb testing. There is no way being street legal in CA running in the 10's AFR.

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