525 EFI refresh lifter issue!!!
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Had a fun successful summer with the boat, hopefully you did as well. My lifter noise went away like you said after letting it warm up a little, thanks. Then some lifter noise came back, I thought it was an small exhaust leak so I kind of ignored it, I couldn't hear it unless I opened the hatch and turned the tunes down. While winterizing I pulled my port valve cover to find a lifter that isn't pumped up solid, Im able to push the push rod down a tad (1/8" or less). My question is what oil do you run? I talked to Bob Madera this morning and he said the 25W40 I'm running is much to thick for these Johnson lifters and thats most likely my problem. I was just following the specs from the manual. Me and him also made a connection last spring, I believe he was working with you the same time I was ordering from him and calling him daily for questions, small world. I told him I'd call him back to go over everything again so I can work this out, he gets pretty technical so it may take a call or two lol
I would remove the lifter assembly, and send it to johnson. Have you called johnson direct?
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I been running 20-50 in mine all summer no issues, I did have Johnson increase oiling to my rockers because I wanted to cover my azz in early spring conditions, Randy at Johnson was the guy that helped me out with my questions, very smart guy, I am almost positive he said 20-50 oil is fine even without increased oiling to rockers but I honestly can't remember. I run big clearances across the board so I need the thicker oil....
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Had a fun successful summer with the boat, hopefully you did as well. My lifter noise went away like you said after letting it warm up a little, thanks. Then some lifter noise came back, I thought it was an small exhaust leak so I kind of ignored it, I couldn't hear it unless I opened the hatch and turned the tunes down. While winterizing I pulled my port valve cover to find a lifter that isn't pumped up solid, Im able to push the push rod down a tad (1/8" or less). My question is what oil do you run? I talked to Bob Madera this morning and he said the 25W40 I'm running is much to thick for these Johnson lifters and thats most likely my problem. I was just following the specs from the manual. Me and him also made a connection last spring, I believe he was working with you the same time I was ordering from him and calling him daily for questions, small world. I told him I'd call him back to go over everything again so I can work this out, he gets pretty technical so it may take a call or two lol
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Had a fun successful summer with the boat, hopefully you did as well. My lifter noise went away like you said after letting it warm up a little, thanks. Then some lifter noise came back, I thought it was an small exhaust leak so I kind of ignored it, I couldn't hear it unless I opened the hatch and turned the tunes down. While winterizing I pulled my port valve cover to find a lifter that isn't pumped up solid, Im able to push the push rod down a tad (1/8" or less). My question is what oil do you run? I talked to Bob Madera this morning and he said the 25W40 I'm running is much to thick for these Johnson lifters and thats most likely my problem. I was just following the specs from the manual. Me and him also made a connection last spring, I believe he was working with you the same time I was ordering from him and calling him daily for questions, small world. I told him I'd call him back to go over everything again so I can work this out, he gets pretty technical so it may take a call or two lol
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the johnsons will take a chitload of pressure, ask me how I know?? sure it's a spring pressure issue?
Yes, great summer, thanks. Bob is a great guy... extremely knowledgeable and always willing to help. I had a collapsed lifter on one motor about a month or so ago, but that was most likely the result of too much spring pressure from the springs I used when I did the top ends in the spring. I will be changing the springs again this winter to a spring with less seat pressure. I used to use the Merc. Synthetic Blend 25W50 oil but I just started using Valvoline VR-1 Racing Conventional 20W50. Probably only have one or two more runs and then I'm done for the season. So sad..
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Witnessed the same things happen to morels. Of course the oil viscosity was blamed to be the cause. Same thing happened again, with thinner oil.
I know several local guys running straight 50 oil in their Hi-RPM version of the morels, with no issues at all, although they say 5w40 is the max viscosity. And these arent 500hp engines , talking 1000hp engines in big heavy vee bottoms that get the snot ran out of them every weekend.
Having never used a johnson lifter, are they like a morel, in the aspect of being noisy too little preload? Every set of engines i been around with the morels seem noisy unless they have about a full turn on a 7/16-20 poly lock nut past zero lash.
I know several local guys running straight 50 oil in their Hi-RPM version of the morels, with no issues at all, although they say 5w40 is the max viscosity. And these arent 500hp engines , talking 1000hp engines in big heavy vee bottoms that get the snot ran out of them every weekend.
Having never used a johnson lifter, are they like a morel, in the aspect of being noisy too little preload? Every set of engines i been around with the morels seem noisy unless they have about a full turn on a 7/16-20 poly lock nut past zero lash.
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Here's a very good article on hyd lifters, their components, and how it all works, including bleed down and etc:
http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2012...d-lifters-101/
Note: bottom picture is animated, give it a few to get moving. Provides a good visual.
http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2012...d-lifters-101/
Note: bottom picture is animated, give it a few to get moving. Provides a good visual.
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