How to get a little heat with crossovers...?
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You know, I wish more aftermarket manifolds came with the rear water passages drilled and tapped. My Dart intake did not have provisions for this, or I would have added some hoses here to promote better flow to the rear of the heads. I don't think I want to take a chance on trying to drill and tap these with the intake on the engine. Of course, I am running a circ pump, so it may not be an issue.
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Tim, here is an idea and I've tested it. It works. If your intake has a bypass hole in it under the thermostat you can run a small hose from under the thermostat to the top of the thermostat housing (I used -6 or -8 can remember) I had a bunch of 1/16" holes drilled in a 140 "car thermostat" and my temp pretty much stayed at 135. If you don't have the bypass hole in the intake it wouldn't take much to drill and tap it to 1/2" pipe. Just an idea it works. At least this way you are heating the bypass water through the motor. Just block off your bypass on the crossover and don't use it. At this point it would be a cost effective way to get a little bit of temperature in the motor.
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I didn't think u were knocking it. I was simply stating what results I got. I had to modify the thru hull pick up a bunch of times. First time out I think it went over 30 while getting on plane.
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I've used the Hardin crossovers with their thermostat housings with the divider in it with good success. I still find myself having to drill a few holes in the thermostats to A) lessen the water pressure a bit and B) send a little more water to the exhaust when the thermostat is closed. I also like to have a way to expel any and all air that can get trapped beyond the thermostat when it's closed.
They will all generally have water pressure issues without some holes drilled in the thermo. A bunch of the setups out there only use a 1/2" or 5/8" hose for the bypass. You have (2) 1" hoses feeding the exhaust. The crossover is being fed by 1 1/4" hose. How in the hell can you possibly remove all of that water through a 1/2" hose. You can't. So, the water pressure spikes. The new Hardin setup uses a 1" bypass hose so it doesn't cause nearly as bad of a water pressure spike. Combine that with a few holes in the thermo and you have a really nice crossover setup.
Eddie
They will all generally have water pressure issues without some holes drilled in the thermo. A bunch of the setups out there only use a 1/2" or 5/8" hose for the bypass. You have (2) 1" hoses feeding the exhaust. The crossover is being fed by 1 1/4" hose. How in the hell can you possibly remove all of that water through a 1/2" hose. You can't. So, the water pressure spikes. The new Hardin setup uses a 1" bypass hose so it doesn't cause nearly as bad of a water pressure spike. Combine that with a few holes in the thermo and you have a really nice crossover setup.
Eddie
I gotta buy the stats Joe posted for this coming weekend I am gonna play with restrictor plates..
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I will share my experience with by-pass crossovers. The best water crossover is the one from Stainless Marine, the thermostat housing is cast polished stainless, that has a diverter in which keeps the cold water from confusing the thermostat with cold water. That cold water will, make the thermostat close early NOT ALLOWING, the water to flow the hot water from the last 2 cylinders on each bank. You will never see a high temp reading on the gauge, allowing the rear cylinders to overheat, causing the cylinder head to expand beyond the quench of the gasket.
I experienced; a confused thermostat on a 750 hp 540 NA I was told drill 5-7 holes in thermostat. This issue cost me much time and $$$$, the end result of the cold water hitting the top of the thermostat, wasn't a enjoyable journey, for my clients lost boating time and my time and money to correct the issue. the end result was a dropped valve seat and a bent valve. After repairs were made, a thermo-heat gun determined, 300 + degrees in back cylinders. determining what was going on. The only bypass I us now if needed is from Jerry @ Stainless Marine.
I experienced; a confused thermostat on a 750 hp 540 NA I was told drill 5-7 holes in thermostat. This issue cost me much time and $$$$, the end result of the cold water hitting the top of the thermostat, wasn't a enjoyable journey, for my clients lost boating time and my time and money to correct the issue. the end result was a dropped valve seat and a bent valve. After repairs were made, a thermo-heat gun determined, 300 + degrees in back cylinders. determining what was going on. The only bypass I us now if needed is from Jerry @ Stainless Marine.
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Just adding, I do carry the High flow T stats like what CP and Stewart has. I have some left if I recall 140 and 160 degree - I am trying to buy more but of course on the wholesale pricing. the problem is you have to buy alot of them to get good price breaks to resell.
A word about Sierra's T stat's they are made by MotorRad - the same company that does the auto fail safe t - stat. These t stats from Motor Rad that Sierra sells are not the High flow version but do work great for your stock apps even for some of the lower Stock Merc HP engines. Motor Rad makes these T stats a bit different for the marine end than compared to the auto side. If I recall something has a different metal and or content. I can check on it if needed. I have trying to deal with MotorRad but man they want alot out of you.
Some added info the standard t stat fully open can flow 34 to 37 gallons of water per minute and the high flow version can flow 50 to 56 gallons per minute FYI
A word about Sierra's T stat's they are made by MotorRad - the same company that does the auto fail safe t - stat. These t stats from Motor Rad that Sierra sells are not the High flow version but do work great for your stock apps even for some of the lower Stock Merc HP engines. Motor Rad makes these T stats a bit different for the marine end than compared to the auto side. If I recall something has a different metal and or content. I can check on it if needed. I have trying to deal with MotorRad but man they want alot out of you.
Some added info the standard t stat fully open can flow 34 to 37 gallons of water per minute and the high flow version can flow 50 to 56 gallons per minute FYI
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