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Old 08-16-2015 | 12:41 PM
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Old 08-16-2015 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Full Force
250-260 on the cold side after cooler is way too much... Get a bigger cooler...

I agree with flowing opposite directions water and oil, on the same hand I agree with Eddie looking at it this way, I cool with 70 degree water flowing through nonstop.... It's gonna cool good no matter what direction it flows...

Cruising temps for me are 170 ish yesterday at 4200 no oil or water stats
So how do you burn off moisture..Water boils @ 212 F. seems way too cool for me. So if your running 170 ish and 190 ish you must have some white sludge somewhere maybe under the valve covers. An engine trying to generate heat with no oil or water thermostats will condensate.

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Old 08-16-2015 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Full Force
250-260 on the cold side after cooler is way too much... Get a bigger cooler...

I agree with flowing opposite directions water and oil, on the same hand I agree with Eddie looking at it this way, I cool with 70 degree water flowing through nonstop.... It's gonna cool good no matter what direction it flows...
You're correct in your thinking. Counter-current flow is the best scenario for maximum heat exchange, there is no arguing that. On the other hand as you mentioned, you're passing a LOT of cool water through that exchanger and if sufficiently sized the efficiency loss to co-current flow will probably go unnoticed.

The stock oil cooler (HX) is a shell and tube setup, oil on the shell side and water in the tubes. As the HX gets older there can be mineral deposits from raw water on the tube's ID or varnishing from oil on the tube's OD, probably a little of both. This is known as tube fouling and will reduce the tube's ability to transfer heat. (On big HX's this decreased capacity is accounted for in the initial design stage.) So as one approaches the effective limit of the HX these small differences may begin to amount to something more significant.

Funny things happen when you ask something to operate continuously at 100% capacity. I think that's what OP is seeing here, and he probably needs a bigger cooler. Plus they look better on the bellhousing anyway.

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Old 08-16-2015 | 03:11 PM
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Only in spring I get it till about beginning in June if I don't run it hard, but I also run my boat much harder then most people do... I have zero condensation issues from June-nov.
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So how do you burn off moisture..Water boils @ 212 F. seems way too cool for me. So if your running 170 ish and 190 ish you must have some white sludge somewhere maybe under the valve covers. An engine trying to generate heat with no oil or water thermostats will condensate.
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Old 08-16-2015 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Cole2534
You're correct in your thinking. Counter-current flow is the best scenario for maximum heat exchange, there is no arguing that. On the other hand as you mentioned, you're passing a LOT of cool water through that exchanger and if sufficiently sized the efficiency loss to co-current flow will probably go unnoticed.

The stock oil cooler (HX) is a shell and tube setup, oil on the shell side and water in the tubes. As the HX gets older there can be mineral deposits from raw water on the tube's ID or varnishing from oil on the tube's OD, probably a little of both. This is known as tube fouling and will reduce the tube's ability to transfer heat. (On big HX's this decreased capacity is accounted for in the initial design stage.) So as one approaches the effective limit of the HX these small differences may begin to amount to something more significant.

Funny things happen when you ask something to operate continuously at 100% capacity. I think that's what OP is seeing here, and he probably needs a bigger cooler. Plus they look better on the bellhousing anyway.

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So if my cooler is not big enough, then why when I install my water dumps (which i am going to do this week) my water pressure and my oil temperature drop. I believe the issue here is the Eddie Marine Risers are holding back too much water, creating pressure and not letting the water flow faster thru the cooler
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Old 08-16-2015 | 05:38 PM
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You've changed it's operating conditions and now it's performing acceptably. Pressure is resistance to flow here so you're indirectly seeing an increase in water flow and thus an increase in heat transfer. This is especially true because the impeller isn't a positive displacement pump, it's flow rate is directly, though not linearly, correlated to discharge pressure.

You opened up the flow path, efficiency increased, temps came down.
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Originally Posted by Full Force
250-260 on the cold side after cooler is way too much... Get a bigger cooler...

I agree with flowing opposite directions water and oil, on the same hand I agree with Eddie looking at it this way, I cool with 70 degree water flowing through nonstop.... It's gonna cool good no matter what direction it flows...

Cruising temps for me are 170 ish yesterday at 4200 no oil or water stats
My sensor is in the oil filter which is before the cooler
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Old 08-16-2015 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Cole2534
You've changed it's operating conditions and now it's performing acceptably. Pressure is resistance to flow here so you're indirectly seeing an increase in water flow and thus an increase in heat transfer. This is especially true because the impeller isn't a positive displacement pump, it's flow rate is directly, though not linearly, correlated to discharge pressure.

You opened up the flow path, efficiency increased, temps came down.
Thank Cole2534 This is what i have been trying to explain here ....I only said this 10 times....With the water dumps the water flows thru the cooler at a faster rate lowering the oil temps..NO BIGGER COOLER NEEDED..The faster the water flows thru the cooler the more heat gets extracted. .But this makes my Stainless riser run a bit warmer at idle with idle water pressure.. At this point i say let the ss riser run warmer...its not going to melt..
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Old 08-16-2015 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Young Performance
I've never found any appreciable difference is oil cooler direction. There are 2 methods of thinking. One is to flow the water and oil in the same direction. In theory, this keeps the same water and the same oil in contact longer so that they can transfer heat. The other is to flow them in the opposite direction. This allows the leading edge of the oil to constantly contact cold water. Like I said, we have tried it both ways on several different apps and have yet to see any measurable difference.
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Eddie, If you increase the water flow thru the cooler it will extract more heat from the oil. I did this by dumping some water between the exhaust manifolds and the risers. Temps will drop.
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Old 08-16-2015 | 07:19 PM
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So in my case i have high water pressure, high oil temperature, all because my water flow thru the cooler,engine,exhaust, can't exit fast enough and is being held back by the 3 small holes at the end of my exhaust risers. How much water pressure is needed to cool..I'm sure you don't need 16lbs @ 3200 rpms and over 20-25 or more @ wot. So the Merc pump is pumping more water than the engines, hose size, fitting size water outlet sizes and in turn is slowing down the flow increasing pressure increasing oil temperature because the water outlets are too small and can't get out fast enough

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